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[quote="Teryble"]Wavy u lost me??? Can u tell in "coins for dummies" language? :?[/quote]
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<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th>Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wavysteps2003</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:41 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What you have is a trail die that is on a worn old die. The trail lines have been attenuated by the metal flow that happens with every strike. The more strikes that the die makes, the deeper the lines get. <br /> <br />For those of you who are CONECA members, I have decided to do an article in ERRORSCOPE on this subject since it is material that I believe has never been broached. <br /> <br />BJ Neff[/img]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teryble</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Wavy u lost me??? Can u tell in "coins for dummies" language? <img src="images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>eagames</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:25 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In several areas it looks like double trails. <br /> <br />Would that be from the top/bottom of the letters and both head the same way or is it a double trail coin (both from the same corner of the elements) if there's such a thing?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Bob P</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:13 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What he said <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wavysteps2003</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:57 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">This is "one of those" coins. <br /> <br />This is indeed a trail die that has been affected by die deterioration. As we all know, die deterioration flow lines are radial; in the direction of the cold metal flow. With the die in use the surface atoms are striped away with each strike from this flow. Areas form on the die surface where more of the atoms are striped away than in other areas, usually just after a design element. That is where die deterioration doubling comes into form <br /> <br />However, in this case, the flow lines are not radial, but are in one direction. This means that another element is in the mix. In this case it is trails. Since trails are an indent in the die, metal flow will increase the size of these lines as the die ages and more atoms are striped away. What is interesting is that dies affected by trails will show deterioration faster in the area with trails than other parts of the die that are not affected by trails. So you may have a coin that is LDS in appearance but looks to be VLDS where the trails have affected the design elements. <br /> <br />In a nutshell, the two biggest clues are; one directional deterioration flow lines and areas of advanced die deterioration not consistent with the overall die state of the coin. <br /> <br />BJ Neff</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Dick</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Bob, I am going to agree with you on this one,. At firsr, I thought yes, it is, but as the pgotos progressed, and knowing the devices position, AND, that trails all seem to "flow" in the same direction, I had to hesitate on any decision. It could be as you suggest, die wear, rather than trails, but BJ will have the answer. Hang in there Teri, we're rooting for you!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Bob P</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:55 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I thought at one time that coins like this were strictly late die state. BJ corrected me on one that was indeed a trails die to boot. This one looks like one of those, but I will have to wait for his opinion on this one Tery.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teryble</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: 96 trails? Special request by Dick "post something"</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hi Wavy, & everyone:) Is this just die flow or really used di/hub....whatever, it's been a long time! Still got alot on plate but read Dicks post, about the site....so here I am:) <br />[img]<img src="http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/Teryble/96trails3.jpg" /> <br />[/img]<img src="http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/Teryble/96trails2.jpg" /> <br />[img]<img src="http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/Teryble/96trails1.jpg" /> <br /><img src="http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/Teryble/96trails.jpg" />[/img]</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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