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[quote="wavysteps2003"]Yes, the stars were probably added like MM. Even on early U. S. coins some design elements were not hubbed into the master die but added later. BJ Neff[/quote]
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<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th>Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>eagames</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:52 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Interesting! <br />We'll have to look out for some RPSs re-punched stars <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wavysteps2003</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yes, the stars were probably added like MM. Even on early U. S. coins some design elements were not hubbed into the master die but added later. <br /> <br />BJ Neff</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>eagames</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">the date must have been on the hub? Confused But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Very strange! I'd like to know how and why it could be this way. <br /> <br />Do you know if this design was used for any other years? If coins from other dies have the star and other thing in the same location or they move on different dies? (were those punched like mintmarks?) <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/icon_question.gif" alt="Question" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>KurtS</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:03 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I've looked at many 1869 4c, and haven't seen another example--yet. <br />The doubled date is interesting too--the date must have been on the hub? <img src="images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /> But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling. <br /> <br />It would be great sometime to get this slabbed--when business is better. Thanks all!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>wavysteps2003</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:37 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That would be a neat coin to have encapsulated by ICG. Not only is it a trail die, but a ncie doubled die as well. <br /> <br />BJ Neff</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jfines69</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That is an awesome looking coin... Someone needs to find an old roman coin that has trails... It would be hard to beat that... LOL!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>ken</b></span></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:00 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Very nice.Trail dies from the 1800's???? Who'd of known???</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>KurtS</b></span></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/fs2/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:31 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: 1869 trail dies coin--still the earliest?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In preparation for a show, I'm looking through my world varieties, and I remembered I have this coin. A while back, it was confirmed by BJ Neff to be a trail dies (<a href="http://www.traildies.com/id71.html" class="postlink"><span style="font-weight: bold">1869(URU)-4(cen)DEO-001T 180°</span></a>), the earliest known at the time? <img src="images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" border="0" /> I believe the coin was struck at the Birmingham mint, which produced coinage for many countries. It's possible there are others out there--or even earlier trail dies. <br /> <br />Again, thanks to BJ Neff for the attribution. Has anyone found an earlier trail dies? It could be in your collection and you don't know it yet. <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /> <br /> <br />Detail showing the trails <br /><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3416387741_a7244854e6_o.jpg" /> <br /> <br />The coin is also a class V doubled die! <br /><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3416439717_f925b602a5_b.jpg" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/fs2/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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