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eagames
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject:

Interesting!
We'll have to look out for some RPSs re-punched stars Smile
wavysteps2003
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject:

Yes, the stars were probably added like MM. Even on early U. S. coins some design elements were not hubbed into the master die but added later.

BJ Neff
eagames
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject:

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the date must have been on the hub? Confused But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling.


Very strange! I'd like to know how and why it could be this way.

Do you know if this design was used for any other years? If coins from other dies have the star and other thing in the same location or they move on different dies? (were those punched like mintmarks?)



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KurtS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:03 am    Post subject:

I've looked at many 1869 4c, and haven't seen another example--yet.
The doubled date is interesting too--the date must have been on the hub? Confused But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling.

It would be great sometime to get this slabbed--when business is better. Thanks all!
wavysteps2003
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject:

That would be a neat coin to have encapsulated by ICG. Not only is it a trail die, but a ncie doubled die as well.

BJ Neff
jfines69
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject:

That is an awesome looking coin... Someone needs to find an old roman coin that has trails... It would be hard to beat that... LOL!!!
ken
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:00 am    Post subject:

Very nice.Trail dies from the 1800's???? Who'd of known???
KurtS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: 1869 trail dies coin--still the earliest?

In preparation for a show, I'm looking through my world varieties, and I remembered I have this coin. A while back, it was confirmed by BJ Neff to be a trail dies (1869(URU)-4(cen)DEO-001T 180°), the earliest known at the time? Confused I believe the coin was struck at the Birmingham mint, which produced coinage for many countries. It's possible there are others out there--or even earlier trail dies.

Again, thanks to BJ Neff for the attribution. Has anyone found an earlier trail dies? It could be in your collection and you don't know it yet. Very Happy

Detail showing the trails


The coin is also a class V doubled die!

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