E PLURIBUS UNUM

coop · Expert Member

Many times while searching coins you get into a pattern of looking. I know I start at the date, mintmark if present, LIBERTY, Motto, and the eyelid. Then I flip the coin right to left (not top to bottom) to see the lower parts of the ONE CENT to check for a DDR on them if it is a good clean earily state die, I rotate and check the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But are we missing something? On Memorial Cents after 1986 you can also add the Statue, the steps and the bays. But again, are we missing anything else? Take this test to see if you eye can detect difference in the EPU of the following images.

Study the image closely before checking the answer. Not a big thing, but study to train your eye. I tried to make the images close to the same color, so color isn't the difference. Keep checking..... (I know this may be easy for some, others may not catch it till they see the answer.) But by training our eyes to catch what is different, the eye will be trained. Ever go over a coin and finish and have something tell you to look again? You eye caught something different and you go back. When your ready see the answer. Enjoy.

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garylcsr · Veteran Member

great post Coop even though i missed it on the first EPU i thought it was a i would have said 1974 but as you see i need more learnin lol

Steven · Expert Member

Missed 1 by just a bit.
Steven

coppercoins · Site Admin

I shouldn't answer this, but I can say that when the EPU is doubled usually part of USA will be doubled as well - as a general rule.

coop · Expert Member

The reason I started this thread is that I found a 1960P-1DR-002 iin a LDS/VLDS die state. All outside letters on the rim area was so distorted with the die flow, but because the EPU that gave up what it actually was. The outside rim letters toward the rim, looked like a normal worn Cent. I was glad I looked there was I would have missed this die/die state just looking a the outside tim letters that were doubled. I thought all would benefit what I found the hard. Kind of like Cliff Notes for searching coins.

Dick · Expert Member

Coop, I seem to recall you saying you had about 50,000 wheats. I am getting the impression from your last "quiz", that you actually have looked at EVERY ONE of them! I look at a coin, and two minutes later can't even give you the MM! Regards, Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Having just re-read your post, or is it a "thread"? I noticed a few things you do that I have not done while checking a coin. I cjeck the date, MM, liberty, IGWT and ear! Then I flip it to check for Oriontation, grains, and then go up from there. On the Memorials, I look first at the corners of the building, then at the k10, and k2 positions, for die cracks. Then to the bottom for doubling, (and it will have to be very prominant for these eyes to see), at the building for die cracks on the columns, then to EPU, and finally USA for doubling. Until recently, I had never given "ABE" a second look! Seems "we" look a lot, but see so little! I have found out more since having joined this forum, than I had learned in a LOT of years "gathering", collecting, (of late), and finding out just how much there is to learn about something we use 24/7, and never even know what we have in hand! Thank you, one, and ALL! Dick

eagames · Expert Member

These 1960 ddr's are realy strongly doubled on EPU but it's easy to miss unless you focus right along the letter tops. I found the best PUP to look at is the dots and FG initials, some of the dots are very egg shapped. Look for them eggs!!!

coop · Expert Member

Dick: That was 50,000 Memorials. I've got a few wheats, but wish I have 50,000 BU Wheats. Retirement would be a lot easier if I had that many of the wheats. But I'am finding stuff that I've never seen before. I've got one RPM that looks like one RPM, but it is different in another way. The markers match in a couple of places, but never seen such a strong RPM with a distracting mark before. Gonna have to do a little reasearch on this one.

coppercoins · Site Admin

Dick -

Each message you see on the screen is a "post". There are thousands upon thousands of posts in this forum.

The screen full of messages is a "thread". There are many hundreds of threads in this forum.

All of the threads together in a group is a "topic". There are about a dozen topics in this forum.

Dick · Expert Member

CD, Like II say, any day I learn something is a day not lost. Thanks for the info. This day is NOT lost. Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Coop, when I got all those wheats, I would go thru them, looking for the obvious, standout type error. Needles to say, I found none. Then I joined CONECA, and began reading about different things to look for, like the "die dents". (Mike Diamond). I went back thru them, and found a few. Then came the '46-S DDO, or RPM?, with the different type "s", ( trumpet tail "s", and the ball serif "S", (B.J. Neff). Back to the bucket of wheats! Now (Ken Potter) comes out with an INVERTED "S"! I'm going to have to put each date, and mint in separate rolls, cans, cups, and a few dishes, just to have something to hold them while I start looking AGAIN! Not to be left behind, I'll have to read all the posts, and then make notes about all these Memorials, that "don't have any chance of "doubling" because of the "single-squeeze" press, now in use! OH yeah! Just check "OLD ABE". One would think he has "ants in his pants"! Boy, do I have MY work cut out for me! The hard part is taking all the coins out of the flips! That's okay, I have "lots of time", I hope! Anyone still awake?? My best to all, Dick

Dick · Expert Member

I guess every one but me missed the most important items: What about that "triangle" on the third photo? Did you see the "clouds" over the "P L", on the last one? Maybe the vertical mark on the last "U" in unum? How about the "U" in pl-"u"-ribus? Sorry, I didn't see the folded lapel, but did you see the 1943-S copper wheat, in his shirt pocket?? Must be my eyes! I wonder what the date, and mint was? Regards, Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Dick,

I use the boxes that tubes come in to organize cents by year, I started doing it with BU memorial rolls that I find often for $1. I had kept circ wheats in whatever I had but started organizing them in tubes too. I mooch the boxes from dealers that sell tubes or buy partial boxes if I need tubes.

It helps because as you described we see neat varieties and need to re-check for them. By having them organized in tubes it saves me from having to sort by year when I search. Also I have much better results by just searching one year at a time so my eyes catch the yearly trends like thickness of letters so minor stuff is easier to catch.

coop · Expert Member

Dick: I noticed it on the 4 th image. A couple of well placed bag marks. The doubling is the big item on these. Always glad to learn something new, already found something new today. it was on a RPM. I thought it was a certain die, even had a couple of markers that matched. But remember its first seperation, location and then markers. The dies go through the same types of cleaning because of the die clashes, so now wonder you can find scratches in two different dies that look the same. But the seperation is what caught my eye and the other coin I was comparing it to didn't have that seperation. Almost the same location and almost the same markers. But Seperation, location and then markers.