1958 d ???????????

[walkingdude]

Anybody seen something like this before? Not the greatsest picture but I gave up after ten tries.



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[Steven]

I ussually give up at about 50 tries.
Looks like deep gouges.
Steven

[garylcsr]

I have one almost like that could be the same die not sure but mine looks like the gouge or whatever it is go's under the 8 i am sure mine was either there before it was struck or it was on the die.i will look for a pic of mine but it looks the same too me
Gary

[garylcsr]

Hello again i found mine but it is not the same die. mine is the 58P so it would not be possible i dont think anyway COOP lol but here is mine
it has almost the same gouge but the metal is bunched up against the 8 in 58 but it is none the less a cool coin


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a315/garylcsr/1958Dwithcudfromothercoin.jpg


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a315/garylcsr/1958Dwithcud3.jpg


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a315/garylcsr/1958Dwithcud2.jpg


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a315/garylcsr/1958Dcudofanother4.jpg

[coop]

Well this is my last three digit post, so I'll make it a good one.

Walkingdude: Yours is a die gouge.
Gary: Yours looks like a strike over debrie. Leaves a bump on the surface of the coin. It you remove it, there is a crator there. So you have to figure which is the less of two evils.

Walkingdude's coin brings up a point that should be made for clarity. What is the deepest part of a die? The deepest part is the highest point on a coin. The details are deep inside for the bust and Memorial. The letters/numbers are also sunk into the die. When a die clash happens the deepest parts don't touch. The fields touch with an outline of the bust/Memorial and some outlines of letters/numbers may appear. But the damage to the die is usually just in the fields. Die gouges/scratches are usually in the field areas. It an item such as a wire is struck, it will fall into the lower areas of the die and leave a mark incuse on the coin struck. So when a sever cleaning is done, the fields/outline of the details suffers and wear shows on lower parts of the die and the outlines of the die. So when the term used is deep in the die, it means a lower portion on the die. The upper part, the fields are the outside edge of the front of the die. So when field gouges show, they usually last for a longer time. Die scratches and die gouges in the fields flatten with time and use of the die. But die gouges on the details last a lot longer, if not be permanent markers. So the point I'm bring is this: If you see a die scratch, that is in the field, the outside of the die. Die gouges are just deeper marks in the field. But deep into the die, this can be damaged while cleaning or striking something hard (A piece of die, or tool) usually leaves marks to be seen for a long time. Die breaks are un-reversable, cuds (outer portions of the die breaking of) is the the beginning of the end for that die. As soon as it is detected it is replaced. You have to think like a die to understand them. They are like a 3-D negative that forms the shape of the coin. Probably everyone knows this, but just in case I tought I would cover the point.
Last three digit post..............

[coppercoins]

I have found (and skipped over) examples of the initial die posted in this thread. They are tooling marks (gouges) in the die. Because the die is so memorable I can remember at least a dozen of them in the past.

[walkingdude]

Thanks, for the Post all. I kind of figured it was somekind of gamage/cleaning/polishing or repair job on the die. I have a couple of neat repair jobs, one is under the steps (raised portion) and the other is where the building is distorted looking. Like a square that was squeezed.