Can I get a guess?

Steven · Expert Member

Hopeing to get a good guess for a grade for this cent. It looks to have some lamination problems. I don't know if it has ever had any type of cleaning. The tone of the cent is that of the last photo.
Any help appreciated,
Steven

Dick · Expert Member

Steven, I am NOT an expert, or even close, and hope I don't hurt your feelings, but my "guess" would be, (from the photos), probably EF-40 or AU-50. If it is actually higher, then I can up-grade some of mine! Regards, Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

For some reason, I feel that the coin has been cleaned. Beside that, the lamination should not affect the grade because that is a pre strike condition, however, the grader may feel different about it. There does appear to be a small "dent" in front of Lincoln's chin and another on the left wheat ear that caught my attention right off the bat.

AU-50 if the coin has been cleaned.

MS-62 if the coin is in an original state.

One other factor that I did not mention was the toning on the reverse. Whether it is AT or NT will affect the grade and in this case I believe it is AT (artifical toning)

WAVYSTEPS2003 aka BJ Neff

coop · Expert Member

Looks MS to me. Not sure what number 60-+. But I have one that looks like it was made from the same stock as yours. Anyone wanting me to post an image, speak up. But It looks Mint State to me. Hard to tell which 60's number because of the error on it.

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, I am not as "up" on the cleaning aspect, but it is awful "clean". However that is not what I noticed. Is it me, it does it appear to be either MD, or strike doubling, to the south, on the tops of the date. The "tearing" look on the obv, front of the chin, looks very much like some of mine. I can't tell if it is planchet pre-strike damage, or not. It doesn't look to be lamination. Dick

coppercoins · Site Admin

I believe cleaned, but would have to see the coin in person to know for sure.

The coin also appears to have slight wear on the higher points of the cheek and jaw.

Considering I am wrong with the cleaning, the coin is AU58. If I am correct about the cleaning and it is very light and unnoticeable, the coin would be AU50. Heavier cleaning would NET the coin to EF.

Steven · Expert Member

I was thinking possibly an old cleaning and some light wear. I'm no grader but was going with a low AU and that seems to be an average of the opinions.
Thanks for the help,
Steven

eagames · Expert Member

Steven,
To me it looks like this 27-d that I got for almost nothing. It looked too nice but I didn't think it was cleaned since it had cartwheel luster. It also has the streaking on the reverse. I thought it had a rough planchet and might grade 63-64 red so back when they charged $10 I sent it... came back WHIZZED AU50.
I GUESS it had a streaked/woodgrain planchet like many teens-20ish wheats and after someone whizzed it looks rough because the metal mixing that caused the streaks must be softer or harder. Anyway it was the cost of learning, now I look closer even if theres cartwheel and nice color.

Steven · Expert Member

The surface of the coin looks very similar. Probably what happened. Shame to do that to a coin with a lot of detail. Rather have it brown.
Steven

Dick · Expert Member

I agree with all of you. If some one has to do something to a coin to make it appear to be something it isn't, then I would sure keep an eye on my wallet! I have received quite a few cents that were awfully 'bright,and shiny", and I knew they weren't because of the condition and some felt oily, as well. I don't know what they did, but it sure ruined a coin for everyone"! All part of the "game", I guess. Dick

eagames · Expert Member

To me it looks like Abes beard goes up closer to his ears like he did not shave much in the teens, in the 30s he started to shave more then in modern times he started to shave less again and more details show going to his ear. It shows nice on uncleaned ones. This 1918 was in a junk box at a show, it looks original and is RB with most luster still there... for $2! On cleaned coins or worn dies those details get smooth. Probably the neatest teens wheat I ever saw is on page 60 of Chucks book. That PCGS MS69 1919 has the finest beard I ever saw. I could retire if I had about 10 cents face in those Rolling Eyes