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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:18 pm Reply with quote

Is this doubling on the knees

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and is this a gas bubble?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:31 pm Reply with quote

I doubt the first image is doubling in the knees, but I would have to see a better image and/or the coin to tell for sure.

Second coin, that appears to be doubling in the column in two different small spots. Again, a little difficult to tell from images though.

Third thing...when talking about doubling or potential doubling in the design on a coin, please post in the die variety section. Doubled dies, repunched mintmarks, over mintmarks, and date doubling (on older coins) are all die varieties, not errors.

Errors would consist of plating problems, planchet problems, clips, brockages, indents, etc. Two different subjects entirely.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:40 pm Reply with quote

Sorry,
I thought I had the proper area. I'm trying the new explorer 7.0 and not liking it yet. Is there a way to move this? I'll try to post better pics in the proper area.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:47 pm Reply with quote

the first picture to me looks like doubling if you look right in the center of the knees......
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:38 am Reply with quote

Walkingdude - You can't move the topics - only the administrators can...but I did, no problems, no worries.

Only reason I said anything at all is because it makes things easier for everyone when searching through topics to see the related stuff in the right places.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:59 pm Reply with quote

Thanks,

Its not been a very good week for me with computers. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

I never even noticed I had the wrong area.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:20 pm Reply with quote

hopefully this photo works better.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:09 pm Reply with quote

Mike
that looks like the bar on some of the coins I am finding. but I have not found anything broke up like that yet. looks like it could be one of the starting points of the bar if there could be such a thing. I'm not sure but it is logical. lol nice find though JMHO. Bob Chuck or Coop would know more about that though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:44 pm Reply with quote

With the iregularity of the marks, it looks more like die wear/deteriation. If it were a doubled column, it would be even and the same width. The image is dark and I can't see what die state the reverse is in. But that is what I think from the image provided.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:24 am Reply with quote

Walking dude, What year is this coin?
Looks like a burst bubble, or maybe damage, by the column.
Coop, are we allowed to look at, and post "X" rated doubles? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:11 am Reply with quote

X Rated? All I see are maybe doubled knees. Anything else may just be the idea of a dirty mind Question
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:59 pm Reply with quote

Coop,
The first picture sure had me "confused" Maybe it is a gouge, or something, but it is not the "doubled knees, I have seen before. Dirty mind? Not where there is a girl around!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:34 pm Reply with quote

I have Coop but it was in Germany (Frankfurt) red light district lol. <X rated
but back to this coin. I agree with Coop on this one but only because it makes more sense than what I was seeing. but I have never seen one like this on the bags and bags of coins that I have gone through . so Coop a little more explanation is in order here
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:46 pm Reply with quote

About Germany? Sorry never been there. But it a hub slightly touched twice, it would leave a mark in the area just below/above the field. If a deeper mark is struck in the field/near field shallow area, that would remain after the hubbing cause the deeper recessed area of the die would not be erased. IE: Doubled Eyelids. Because the eyelid is so deep into the die, a doulbed one would have the deeper area near a thinner/shallow area. So the deeper hubing spot would remain leaving the die with the deeper depression; leaving a raised area on the coin. Hope that is clear. If you took a nail and struck it into a die, all coins would have a raised mark were the nail struck the die. In this case of the doubled knees, (If it is that really) the hubbing made a deep impression for the knees and moved to the correct position. Because the knee depression from the hub to the die on knees are deeper than the pattern shaped by the hub (Now in the correct position), the die would make coins with a raised/doubled knee in the area where a lower relief should have been. So depending if this is what happened, the reasoning for it is there.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:59 pm Reply with quote

Dick wrote:
Walking dude, What year is this coin?
Looks like a burst bubble, or maybe damage, by the column.
Coop, are we allowed to look at, and post "X" rated doubles? Shocked
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Dick,
The year is 2006.

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