2006D 1DR-001

Steven · Expert Member

Thought I'd post some die progression on this 2006D 1DR-001. The die break/crack between the BE of Liberty seems to be growing into a BIE cent.

Steven

bruce 1947 · Advanced Member

Steven,
Here is another one of my stupid questions as much as I read you would think I shoud know this however I don't. If you have found the 2006-D 1DR-OO1 and if SAY 5 more people found it would it THEN READ 2006-D 1DR-O07 is it each time someone finds one the last number changes or will it always be 2006-DR 001

eagames · Expert Member

The first specific variety type listed will be 001, next different one 002 and so on. The same numbers are used for ddo and ddr so for a given year there may be a 1DO-001 and 1DR-001 if both types get discovered.

Other places like Coneca also assign die numbers and theirs might be in a different order or some only exist in one place not the other.

coop · Expert Member

Bruce: Each year we find RPMs or DDO or DDR. We list the date first. In Stevens case it was a 2006. Then we add the mintmark which would make it a 2006P for Philadelphia minted Cent. Then the denomination which is 1 Cent, so now we are up to 2006P-1 Now we add the anomoly whether it is a RPM we add MM, if it is a DDO we add DO, a DDR, we add DR OR Over mintmark we add OM. That is the main ones we list, there is also an over date desigination of OD, but those are rare in Lincoln Cents. So Stevens was a DDR so the formula would be 2006P-1DR Then we add what die created the anomoly. Each die that has a variety we catalog so we can organize our collection. Different people have other systems CONECA use RPM #, Wexler uses WRPM- and so on but we use one that will work on a program that we select for the computer. You could type in your collection and use Sort, then it would sort according to the way it is listed in order. Works great for us. So his die number (What die made his coin) is 001 (The first one found that year. So now we have 2006P-1DR-001. Each time one is added to the system, the number increases. So when you want to organize your collection you label and put them in order. Hope this helps Bruce.

Steven · Expert Member

Bruce,
I think they said about all.
The coin that is listed on this site under 2006D-1DR-001 is listed as an EDS. If you note the small die crack between the B & E of LIBERTY you will see that it is just beginning. The coin I posted was (or a least I think it is) struck with the same die but a little later and the die crack had progressed a bit.
To change the number to -002 it would be a different die that struck the coin and the determination of coppercoins to list the number change for another die variety.

Hope I got that right.

Steven

bruce 1947 · Advanced Member

Coop,
Thanks you make it sound sooooooo easy I have it now.
Bruce.

coop · Expert Member

With a good explination not only you benefit, but other new readers of the forum can appreciate that same question in their minds and won't have to ask it.

coppercoins · Site Admin

Good responses guys. Thanks.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

While we are on the subject of identifying nomeclature for coins, we should look at two terms that often become confused with each other. Those terms are "STATE" and "STAGE" and although similar in appearance, they mean interly different things.

"STATE" can best be defined as the age of the die which starts at EDS (early die state), then goes to MDS (mid die state) and ends with LDS (late die state). There is one more die state that is not seen often affixed to the description of the coin and that is "TERMINAL" This is used when a coin, due to a very large die crack, cud or other anomaly, is very close to the end of its usefullness and will be replaced. More common are the terms VEDS (very early die state) and VLDS (very late die state) which are often added to the coins discription to depict those states. The most important thing to remember is that when dealing with "STATE" we are talking about the die which there are two of on a coin.

"STAGE" can best be desribed as the progression of a coin's identifiers. The identifiers are called die markers and are used to identify a certain variety so repititive entries in to a file system are not made of the same variety. When talking about "STAGE" we are talking about the whole coin and the die markers on both sides.

WE can use a hypothetical 2007 Lincoln cent to see how this works.

Stage "A" - Both obverse and reverse are EDS
Stage "B" - Obverse- die gouge over the BE of LIBERTY
Stage "C" - Reverse - die crack in column # 1

(even though both dies are still EDS, since a new identifier has been found, a new "stage" is added)

Stage "D" - Obverse and reverse are MDS. Reverse-die crack from left cornice tip, through the I of UNITED and into the rim.

(since both dies have progressed to a new die "State" a new "stage" is added.)

Stage "E" - Obverse - die crack above Lincoln's eyebrow
Stage "F" - Reverse - die crack in column # 1 has extended through the left base of the Memorial building, down through the C of CENT and into the rim.
Stage "G" - Reverse - die state is TERMINAL. Die is broken away from the I of UNITED, down through column # 1 and thru the C of CENT.
Stage "H" - Obverse is LDS. Die crack above Lincoln's brow has traveled up through the W of WE and into the rim. Reverse is EDS. The reverse die has been changed.

(even though two different die "States" are being talked about, it is the same "Stage")

As you can see, a "Stage" can talk about the happenings of both dies at once, even though they are in different "States". I hope that this clears up a sometimes confusing matter.

You all have a good one.

WAVY STEPS2003 aka BJ Neff

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, Thanks a lot for your explanation as to the "stages", and also the "states". The states I am aware of, and understand, but had no idea about the stages, until now! I'll read the post again, a few times to put in perspective. This is a day, that was NOT lost, (like so many)!
Dick