2005 D Oregon Quarter?

[slikrep]

Can anyone tell me why this coin appears to have a gold finish on it? And is it worth anymore than a regular one? Thank you for your input.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q140/Slikrep/File0002-1.jpg

[eagames]

I've seen a lot of them that toned with a gold hue.
I think that's what you have.

Also there's a lot of gold plated ones being sold.

In either case I'd think no value added.

[Dick]

I have gotten a bunch of them in Lots from Ebay. They are gold plated, and in My estimation, have ruined a perfectly good coin!
Dick

[Jack]

Slikrep
The coin My be what is known as "Copper Wash" when it takes a bath in the same bath where copper coins were cleaned, and your coin took on some of the stain.
Jack

[Dick]

The "copper wash" is one that I have heard of, but never seen. I referred to those that are gold plated, and sold that way. Maybe one day, I'll get one, and recognize it for what it is!
Dick

[eagames]

I have heard of that.

People used the term sintered, I assume it requires heat and exposure to the other metal to take on the color.

http://www.fredweinberg.com/inventory/item.asp?ID=4258

http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-4218.html

Where you see it is on off metal planchets, often cents on dime planchets look almost cent colored because of it.

But I also see many quarters that just tone with a gold hue and there are lot's of plated ones but they look completely gold not just gold hue.

[coop]

When I think of copper wash coins, I think mainly on Nickels. Because they are 75% copper, when they look more copper colored they call them copper wash. If you see them copper colored they were probably cleaned or soaked with something that gives them the copper color.

One time I tried cleaning some 1943 Cents (steel) with a copper Cent in the same batch with lime away or some acid similar to that. It turned the 1943 gray Cent copper colored. It was not a BU copper color, but more of a cleaned flat looking copper color. I put it into a roll of circulated wheat Cents that I unloaded a few years back. I bet that coin is in someone's collection. Probably thinks its the real thing.

[garylcsr]

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-s-VDB-PCGS-MS63RD-Fiery-Key-Date-Lincoln-1c-N-R_W0QQitemZ220076650656QQihZ012QQcategoryZ39456QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

how can this coin be MS if it has that huge finger print on the obverse

[Dick]

Looks like they have lowered the standards for MS63! I wouldn't call it "firey red," either!
Dick

[eagames]

I agree that calling it "firey red" and not mentioning the print is misleading but wouldn't say it was graded wrong.

The reason is that the fingerprint doesn't make it not MS63. Toning or color shouldn't change the grade, a slight rub or hairline or ding will change it but a print won't change it. Uncirculated doesn't mean untouched by humans, it means not circulated as a coin.

As far as being red, each company has its standards and they want some amount maybe greater than 95% of the surface to be red then they call it red. That's why buyers want to see it close before buying it.

A coin that grades MS63 based on it's surface that barely meets the red catagory gets the same grade as one that's perfectly red and free of a print. What I'm saying is they don't lower the grade because it barely met the red catagory. Eye appeal is not the same as grade.

Companies aren't simple to compare.

TOTALY MY OPINION: On modern cents (memorials) ANACs is toughest on grades, PCGS is easier and NGC easier yet. On older cents (wheats) ANACs seems easier so in comparion PCGS seems tougher. I'd say NGC is just a bit less tough than PCGS.

Color is a different story, PCGS is easier in giving RED than ANACS and NGC is in between.

My guess would be this, if the same PCGS 63RD S-VDB in the auction above went to ANACs they might grade it 64RB.

Just my opinions from what I see

[Dick]

Learn something new every day! I was under the impression that the print would detract from the "eye appeal", and thus the grade per se, of the coin. I didnt see any"Red" so that also brought doubts. Maybe I am under a different impression as to what consiste of "red". What would a coin with various colors, IE, rainbow, be called? I have seen them from black, to white, (as in the '43's), (Speaking strictly of cents), naturally. Along that line, what is the "apparent coating, if you will, that you will see, now and then, that appears to be bright brass, or at times, gold, colored powder, on the older coins? Cosmetics? It does not seem to be part of the actual operation, because it looks like a post-operative coating. And there is no coating during the porcess, so, what is it?
Dick

[eagames]

Most rainbow cents will get graded RB.

One easy way to think of color and grade is you could have a high grade coin MS66 be red or red/brown or totaly brown and still it's MS66. It could be RB with an ugly mix of colors or an amazing rainbow. I'm sure they weigh in eye appeal to some extent, if the coin is ugly spotted or nice but evenly freckled it would bias me

Not sure what exactly you mean by coatings. In general if there's a coating like plating or PVC residue or anything other than natural toning the graders will return it not in a slab or if they slab it (like ANACs) they will say re-colored or something. With PVC residue they do not slab it they return it to you so you can remove it without cleaning. (acetone rinse or whatever)

[Dick]

ED, THe coating(s), I refer to are what appears to be something like a powder, that was brushed on, or even painted on with a brush. In some places it seems to be all gathered up in piles, or drifts, there is so much, but on coins that are obviously BU, there seems to be the same thing, and I used to think it was "luster", Something that was sprayed or painted , maybe blown onto, or ???, when the coin was minted. I read books, and none mention an application of any powder,or other substance to the "finished product".
I don't, READ WON'T, send a coin to ANACS, especially, or to any other "service" because of the way I was treated, and ripped off by them! I have a spotted, MS65, 2005-D quarter, in a fancy plastic box, and worth the same as before: 25 cents. It only cost me $30.00, and a wait from 17 Mar., 2005, until the 16th of June, 2005, to be able to "show" my slabbed coin!
Dick

[eagames]

I've never seen powder on coins but I remember reading this last year:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061117/NEWS33/311170009

[Dick]

ED, It isn't that kind of powder. That which I refer to, is already applied to the coin. I have been able to scrape some of it off, but it still seems to he, (actually has been, a powder, that was applied by brush, after the surface was prepareed, IE, spray adhiesive, or similar). I asked Bob, or Chuck, maybe Coop, but they weren't able to determine from a photo.
Dick