2007 DDR

Copper_Crazy · Member

Hi everyone, I am new to the forum but have been collecting forever and looking for DD for the last couple of years. I just got several rolls of 2007 cents and looked throught the first roll and found several with minor doubling on the 6th column. I have included pics. Steve

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Gabe · Senior Member

Cool to know that is probably the first reported doubled die in 2007, but a very minor one.

Hopefully, 2007 will be a fruitfull year in doubled dies.

murphy · Senior Member

Hiya C_C. I found one similar to yours last week. This week I found a minor wavystep and two varieties of under-ear die clash, one a double-die clash (DDC?)

It's kinda weird that this same time last year I was finding 2006P cents with the same under-ear die clashes that I'm finding now. And the next week or two later was when I discovered those 8-varieties for 2006. It would be amazing if someone were to find 8-varieties for 2007 within the next couple weeks!

coop · Expert Member

Welcome aboard Copper_crazy. Nice looking images and posting them already. Takes some a long time to get an handle on that and post them. You done both. Welcome aboard and keep looking. See if you can find the first listable DDR. So far I've found a few scattered 2007-D Cents, but nothing interesting on them yet. Enjoy the site.

Copper_Crazy · Member

Apparently my find was good enough for Wexler to list as a WDDR-001, as per this eBay listing. Steve

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-P-LINCOLN-CENT-DOUBLED-DIE-REVERSE-GEM-BU-PLUS_W0QQitemZ270103263630QQcategoryZ31373QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bob P · Site Admin

Steve,
John lists just about everything that he confirms as a doubled die. For us here, it is just too minor to list. What you need to do now is find some of the bigger stuff.
We know that the Philly mint has produced Column Bar Cents and Wavy steps, so I believe it'll just be a matter of time before the stronger varieties make an appearance.

Dick · Expert Member

Steve, welcome to our world!
If you live west of the Mississippi River, don't plan on getting any "Philly" MM until mid 2008! The Pony Express can only carry just so much, and the rest will have to wait. If you live east of the same river, you will have the same problem with "D" MM. Nice photos!
Dick

hasfam · Veteran Member

I've been sitting on 2 boxes of 2007-p's, one dated early feb and the other dated early march. I want to dive in but keep waiting for a enough time to savor the hunt. Great Expectations.
Rock

Copper_Crazy · Member

I'll bet John went for the glory of the first find. He sure got the write-up in Coin World this week. I live in Sarasota Fla and bought a lot of 10 on eBay back in late January so they are very early strikes. This coin also has some wavy steps on the right side along with trails under columns 7 & 8. What is big down here is bare rim Washington dollars, this area was very fortunate to get in on the action in a very big way. The local coin dealer was paying 65 per coin last week but has dropped his price to 40, just too many around. Although I love my Double Dies, I really don't spent too much time in the Memorials looking for doubles. I must have 200 unsearched BU Memorial rolls just waiting for me to look through them. I can't even find time to look through my BU wheat rolls. Steve

Earwig · Veteran Member

Ive found 3 so far pics are in the daily find threads

Eric

Dick · Expert Member

Steve, I have seen many of our members state they have "X" number of BU Memorial rolls, or boxes, (and it doesn't even make any difference which mint). I have never opened a BU roll of coins, except when I worked for a grocery/liquor store in '82/83, and opened them to give change. I have many rolls, now, but not BU. I made them up mysel!. In 2005, when I got back into collecting again, I couldn't get a BU roll of the new "06's, even from the bank. Situation unchanged! The bank says they don't have any. I guess UPS, and FEDEX will replace the banking system, for accessing rolled coins. CRAP!!!
We do have the advantage of our members having the generosity, and concern for those of us that can't go 'cross country, to hit a few banks for some boxes, to bring home! While it might be pretty expensive to send a whole box, they are sending smaller amounts, and I'm sure all of us who receive them, will bw forever thankful! I know I am!
Dick

Earwig · Veteran Member

Hey Dick when you hit the grocery store look at the pennys they give back ive got alot of BU Rolls from the service desks at Kroger or even the Spartan Store. They never have a problem sellin 10 bucks worth. And i feel your pain in 06 i could get a BU Roll to save my life i had to turn to ebay.

Eric

hasfam · Veteran Member

I stopped asking banks for bu rolls along time ago. I used to be able to get fed bags from the vault of a small bank in kentucky a few years ago. I got lucky recently though. I was at the bank that my work uses making a desposit at the merchant teller and noticed some shiny rolls of lincoln standing up behind her and bought a few rolls just to see what they were. they were 2007's. I went back the next day and bought a sealed box. Then another 2 days later. Each box was date stamped. one in feb and the other early march. This was very unusual, at least for me. The last time I was able to get a box of solid dates was 1998's.
Rock

coppercoins · Site Admin

Just a short note about "early strikes".

Early die state happens at the beginning of a die's life, which can end within a couple of days. Theoretically late die state coins bearing 2007 dates could have been (and probably were) struck as early as January 3rd or 4th.

Early die state only occurs on the first few thousand coins made from any die pair and can happen as late as December when a new die is hung on the press.

Do not confuse the crisp, clear details of a nice early strike with the time of year - they are two completely separate things. This is where I have always had a problem with the slabber's "first strike" program, slabbing any coin within a certain time period of its first issue as something special. I would prefer to have a coin with crisp details than just something struck in the first month of issue.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

First strike - seems to me that it was a cold war term refering to which side had the capabilities of launching the most missles first.

Of course, we are also fogetting about the working hub. An old working hub will not put out a crisp working die, which in return will put out a run of the mill looking coin. So you what you want is to get a coin struck in the first 10,000 from a new die that has been made by a brand new working hub which was made from a brand new master die that was made from a brand new master hub, freshly made from the galvano. Now we have a nicely struck coin worthy of the disinction "first strike". The only BIG problem is, how do you tell which coin that is.

As Chuck refered to, this first strike, early strike is just another gimmic to get more money out of the collectors. Do yourself a favor and stay away from those type of sales.

BJ Neff