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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:14 pm |
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Found this today but having trouble identifying the die. THis one shows what appears to be small knobs on the L & I of LIBERTY and strong notching in the rest of the letters. Also has Trails to the south of LIBERTY. The date may be normal but I have looked at it so long I think the 20 in the date is shifting to the N/W a bit???? None of the markers listed on the 1DO-001 or 1DO-015 match and couldn't find any markers to photogragh.
What do you think.
Steven
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:13 pm |
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Steven, I may be wrong, but I only see MD. For the trails, yes, and BJ would be the one to address for more info there
Dick
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:29 pm |
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ldarrellcSenior Member
Posts: 510 Joined: 05 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:10 pm |
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that looks very much like the 015 Die variety the one that bob found.
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:12 pm |
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Darrell,
I was thinking of that as a possibility or maybe the 1DO-001. Just can't figure this one on my own. Close to both but no markers to go by.
Steven
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ldarrellcSenior Member
Posts: 510 Joined: 05 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:15 pm |
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now consider this if this came from a OBW then there should be markers but if it is circulated then the markers can be worn away.
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:21 pm |
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I think with both examples, the 1DO-001 & 1DO-015 having die cracks as some of the markers at MDS that this may be one of those as EDS. If they were just die scratches then I think they could disipate in LDS. But I'm not too good at figuring those things out yet.
Steven
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eagamesExpert Member
Posts: 3013 Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:54 pm |
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Hmmm
1DO-012 has the same sort of recessing above LIBERTY, it just did not show on the sites pics. Just to be sure you might look for it's markers on yours.
I would think this one is new.
The trails are like markers, wouldn't that rule out all of the listed ones? I doubt they could polish the trails away without leaving any sign of it.
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:18 pm |
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I tryed a reduction in lighting and this one shows a light separation on the L & B of LIBERTY as well???
Steven
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:28 pm |
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One thing that may enlighten some of you is that the 'Trails" you show are actually a marker since it is made durring the hubbing process. ( I believe Ed mentioned that, and he is right) With that being said, your die is a new one. Don't think that all of the 2006 doubled dies have been found yet. There may be many more out there. The DDO-015 I found only a month or so ago.
Anyway Steven, it seems like a new die to add to the site. COngrats!
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:48 pm |
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Thanks Bob,
This one was causing me a headache
Steven
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murphySenior Member
Posts: 573 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: New Albany, Indiana USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:34 pm |
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Good find.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:17 pm |
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Steven, your later photos show the notches, even to me! Yes, they are there. Hope you have a "brand-spanking -new one for your pleasure, and for the rest of us to enjoy with you.
Dick
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:45 am |
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Hi Steven - I can confirm what Bob has said, this is a new die. Both the doubled die and the trails happened during the hubbing process, so every coin struck with that die will have both. Now the big question, do you have another that I can purchase from you? Or if not, may I see this one? It will help to prove a couple of points in the study that I am conducting on wavy step and trail dies. Thanks
BJ Neff
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GabeSenior Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:00 am |
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Here is an interesting picture I found on the net... I think it further proves a correlation between doubled dies and trails...
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