Question of the Day.

[Rhubarb]

This is a 1934 D lincoln. My question is, could it be 1934D-1DO-001? MM is very close to the one on CC website. It also could be die wear. What do you think?

David



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[Dick]

David, I'll only venture a guess, because I am not that well informed. Looks like a combination of wear, and also, due to the thickened devices, I think it is a doubled die, and a lot of wear.
Dick

[Steven]

Both. Does have a lot of wear but I do believe this is the 001. I did a layover and yours shows a bit more thickness but that would be due to the flattening of the devices with wear and the MM is in the right location. I'd have to say good find.

Some indicators I have used in finding the class 6 DDO's is the upturned end of the bottom leg of the E in WE, the extra thickness of the right leg of the R and lower curve of the U in TRUST.

I didn't see any markers pointed out on the coppercoins photo but it looks as if there may be a small die crack just below the L in LIBERTY. May not be a crack at all but probably worth a look at yours.
Steven

[Rhubarb]

Steven,

I thought it was but honestly didn't know for sure. I did take Coop's advice on S-L-M, it make's alot of sence. It take's alot of looking but it work's.

Steven thank you again.


David

[eagames]

It's definitely a class 6 ddo.

Wide letters can because wear or smashing or wear but the best key that proves it's a class 6 ddo is the way the spines of the letters of liberty like the BE are both arched inward in the center. Another thing many of them have is a little ramp on the end of the lower horizontal bar of the E of we. The pics on site and yours don't show the E but if you look it might have that little upward ramp on it.

It looks right for die-1 based on mm position and the doubling, there's also some recessed marks or erosion around the mm but it's tough to say it's exactly the same. One of the hard things on these ones where the examples are a bit worn is lack of markers but still I'd say it's most likely 1DO-001 or a very similar one. Once you see some of these class 6 ddo's you will find more of them.

1934-p: (looks a bit like your d)





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1943-d:

[Steven]

I must have took a long time editing my first responce.

[eagames]

Steven,

You must have paused to read my mind

Lets see if this D has that ramp on the E! I bet it does.

[Steven]

David can you post a photo of the first few letters of LIBERTY. The one you posted cut off the L a bit.

Yeah Ed, I guess we were thinking along the same lines. I didn't think I explained it well enough and went back to add to it. I was surprized to see there had been two other posts while I was pecking at the keyboard.

Steven

[Rhubarb]

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[eagames]

David, Try to get the E of we in your pic.

[Rhubarb]

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[Rhubarb]

What does the E have to do with the rotation of the Die?

David

[Steven]

Your ramp Ed.

[eagames]

Neat ramp there!

David,

I bet if you look for those things (the ramped Es and arched letters) you will find a few more class 6 DDOs next week. There are many of them out there.

These class 6 ones MIGHT have nothing to do with die rotation. I have heard many explanations for them but nobody I know of has explained the ramps in a way that made sense to me.

Class 6 is distended hub doubling but the real cause is unknown. Some think it's from the way they annealed the die between hubbings or from the master getting flattened from use (maybe the edges flatten and move to the rim like metal flow) but still I don't know a truly accepted cause but they do exist like the example you just found.

Look close at this 43-D, it does have notching on the W, that shows some have notching and proves 2 shifted hubbings have something to do with some of these ones. I've never seen a real BU of any of those 34 or 34-D ones.

[Rhubarb]

Ok you 2. I am pretty good at reading between the lines.
Now if you know something good just PM me