1941S-1MM-009

Rhubarb · Senior Member

This coin is very close to the 41S-1MM-009. The only difference is that there isn't a MM on the top of the S. Also there seem's to be a slight rotation to the N/W on the upper part of the serif.

Any Ideas?

Rhubarb

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wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Hi David - From the picture it does look like a 1941 Large "S" RPM (split upper serif) that is not listed in either this site or CONECA. Unfortunately, a lot of the mint mark is hidden in a shadow, along with the date also, so it is hard to tell anything else about this die. It looks like there could be some extra thickness to the date, but then again, the shadow may be the cause.

I would put it aside for the moment and later on, have either Bob or Chuck take a look at it.
Interestingly enough, the large "S" mint mark for this date is less common than the small "S" mint mark, as John Wexler observed, with a ratio of about 7:1 in favor of the small mint mark.

Nice find David.

BJ Neff

Bob P · Site Admin

Is it possible to take another picture, but have the light source coming from the opposite direction or straight over head? BJ is correct in that a lot of the mintmark and date we would like to observe is hidden in the shadows.

Rhubarb · Senior Member

BJ, Bob, I will post another picture tonite when I get home from work.

David

Rhubarb · Senior Member

I hope these picture's help. It look's like a horn or a spike under the curve.

David

Bob P · Site Admin

Those are some nice pictures Aaron. I am not convinced at all that it is RPM 009 though. I can't see anything that quite looks like it, so I am thinking it might be a new variety. It would have to have an overlay done on it to be absolutely sure it is not a listed variety.

Steven · Expert Member

From the description of the 1MM-010 sounds like that could be the one????????
Steven

Bob P · Site Admin

I have a picture of 010 here, and it's not that one either. I really am leaning toward it being a new variety, but with circulated coins, some of the parts may have worn. The only way to be sure is to do the overlay.

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Maybe this will help. A more clearer picture. Also there is a die crack on the reverse running thru the first U in PLURIBUS down to the 11:00 postition on the O in ONE.

David

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Steven · Expert Member

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Steven,

I must say that you have a remarkable amount of resources to post these pictures. You have done extensive research as it would seem by the picture's.

The picture's that I posted seem to be a Later Die State than the last picture you posted.

I posted a reverse picture of a Die Crack on the reverse. Would this be a VLDS coin of both Obverse and Reverse?

David

Steven · Expert Member

These photos are one of yours and one of coppercoins. I layered yours over the coppercoins photo with five different percentages showing the weakest first. I was attempting to show what I saw. To me it looks like the same location of the MM showing the secondary MM to the west outer curve but it doesn't show the curve to the north. As Bob says it could be another variety, could be the 009 without the upper curve. I'm not good enough at this to know one way or the other.
I have only one example, and not a very good one, of the 009 but it does not show any indication of a die crack in the location of yours.

Steven

eagames · Expert Member

The position looks right from the overlay.

What I don't understand is 1MM-009 has the second mm to the north so what is it that shows in the center (like a notch) going west? The north mm would only show above the top and center curve so I don't understand the center notch and what looks like something going west from it.

They both seem to have that thing in the center but what is it? It almost looks like damage to the punch?

Just thinking out loud Wink

Steven · Expert Member

HUM....Same damaged punch, same location, one die repunched the other not??????????
To much thought. It hurts my head.

coop · Expert Member

The mark under the mintmark looks like a left over scratch from the first image. That's why several images taken at different angles helps. Overlay looks close, but I would need to see a three way comparison to see what we are looking at. I'll try to put up an image later, got a project going on here.