General Question about Machine Doubling

[Rhubarb]

Is it possible to have a "Machine Triple"?

David


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[smed]

Yup.

[Rhubarb]

Thank's Smed,

Another question: Is it possible to have MDing on both sided's of the MM?

Rhubarb

[aballein]

i think thats called die deterioration doubling...common on coins minted with very worn dies

[Dick]

That it is, Aaron, and it's called MDD. It is a common thing when one gets to be my age.
Dick

[Rhubarb]

Thank's Aaron and Dick, The reason I asked the question is: I have 3 coin's that have Triple Doubling on the North side of the MM. I also have 4 coin's with MD'ing on both the North and South of the MM. It's obvious that it is MD, Just wondering if it was "Me".


David

[Dick]

Triple-doubling???? That is six "layers". Tripling, yes, I agree from the post that I saw. Maybe an RPM, with MD
Dickl

[eagames]

What Aaron said is correct.

If it goes in different directions it's probably deterioration doubling because it's caused by the metal flowing away from design elements and to the rim so it can go in opposing directions away from the design elements.

Then it might also get MD or be a real DDO or RPM so it can be a mix of everything. Keeps you on your toes

[eagames]

Dick, I get it....

Tripling =3 as opposed to triple doubling =6...

Recently at a swap meet I saw some Ike dollar slabbed DDOs. Reading one slab it said TDO and DDR. I thought wow that's goofy!!! A coin with a triple die obverse and double die reverse.

There's a bunch of TDO Ike dollars, I'm guessing it was because the coin is so big it often took 3 hubbings to make the dies.

Hey Dick, check out those Ike's on Coneca. Many are listed from EDS-MDS-LDS-VLDS and some in many stages like A through F. They can have several stages within a state because the stages change whenever a new marker change shows, the state won't change until the die wears from use.... Analogy you got a new car, it's still new 1000 miles but now it has a dent so it's still in the new car state as far as miles go but the stage changed since it got a dent.

http://conecaonline.org/content/eisenhowerdoubleddies.html

[coop]

The sad part is that there is very little interest in the Ike dollar doubling/tripling. Hard to get rid of the coins as well. Most people look at them and say: "What is this?" Most of the dollar/half dollar coins are un-popular at retail stores as it is just an extra step to get rid of them or they have to save them till they get so many to turn them in.

[eagames]

Yep! Even the slabbed ones I saw were proof 67-68 ddo or tdo and or ddr and were offered in the $20-30 range (about the cost of grading them) and nobody was buying them.

We like cent's a lot more!

[Dick]

ED, I see your meaning, and it's like if one puts the dent there, it is bad enough, but when someone else does the dirty deed, then that's when the excrement hits the fan!
It does make a lot of sense, and at the same time answers a few questions. Like when does the stage chenge? When the markers change. That was what I was wondering when I could find one, or two markers, or most of them, but when there is only one, then something has to be different, like the "stage".
Ike dollars. I always liked them, but everyone else that liked them, also had more money than me, so there gad to be a decision...get them at face value, or not at all.
Four-bit pieces, same theory.
"Inflated Quarters", with females on them, ditto.
So we get down to the "nitty-gritty"! CENTS! Why not? I'll admit that many of them are pretty "gritty", but there is a nice margin of "keepers". Just takes a little patience, and time.
Dick

[eagames]

Those coins with only one or no marker are probably just earlier than the listed ones you see. Cracks or markers haven't appeared yet.

[Dick]

ED, that is my position, too. But, sometimes the wear, and tear wipes some, or all of them away, and then you think in the opposite way, and consider the coin and/or die to be in an even later state. That is where overlays come in very handy, especially when working with RPM's.
Dick

[coop]

Went through some Cents today and the only thing different was a 1967 Cent with machine doubling......