1941 S Mintmark Change

[Rhubarb]

I have been searching thru 17 roll's and have seen different size's and location's of the MM. I also have seen the different rotation of the MM due to the hand punching of the dies. Does anyone know why they changed the MM size during this period?

I've read the Redbook and the only mention was that the size was changed. Is this comparable to the 1960 P when they had all the problem's? Thank's



David

[eagames]

Just a guess....

Maybe they damaged a punch and replaced it with a different one.

Seems like they didn't care too much about the sizes or styles because in 46 they had even more different styles.

[wavysteps2003]

As Ed said, when a mint mark punch was either damaged or worn, they went on to another and in some instances not the same style or size font was used. The 1940's was especially known for this changing and using multiple mint marks for a certain year.

BJ Neff

[Rhubarb]

BJ,

In 1946, how many different serif type's did they use. Dick told me you would know. Also were they different from each Mint D and S.


David

[Bob P]

In 1946, there were three different types of minmark punches used. they were the:

Ball serif style
serif style,
sans-serif style.

If you have Chuck's book, examples can be found on page 131 of the first edition, and page 167 of the second edition.

[coop]

As far as size of mintmark. The first factor is the size of the punch. Another factor is how many times the punch is hit. Another factor is the location of the hits. Right on top of, Off in a direction. What I'm talking about is not RPMs, but the width and height affected by multiple punches not right on top of each other. Another factor to minmark size is die wear. As the die wears the details of the edge of the mintmark and fields start to flow together. The wear enlarges the mintmark and other details of the coins and eventually flows from the devices and into the field (VLDS) like a snow drift and the width enlarges and wear can be uneven appearing as a DD or RPM. Machine doubling can also distort the mintmark/letters/numbers into a different shape, but only in extreme doubling is the devices actually larger. Usually just smeared, distorted in any direction different from coin to coin as the maching was loose and randomly moves from coin to coin.

[Rhubarb]

Yep, there it is, plain as day. Forgot about the book.

Thank' Bob

David

[wavysteps2003]

Just to add to what Bob has said concerning the three different mint marks used in 1946. The ball serif, also called the trumpet tail mint mark, was a hold over from the previous year where it was used on the majority of the dies. The other mint mark used for the 45 year was the serif mint mark. In 1946, the ball serif was used on approximately a dozen dies, while the serif and sans serif were used extensively. More than likely and this does show on some of the ball serif mint marks of 1946, that punch became to worn to use and was retired. Oddly enough the ball serif mint mark of 1946 also has one die with an inverted mint mark, the only inverted mint mark for the whole Lincoln series.

BJ Neff

[aballein]

which would be your current avatar..correct?

[Dick]

Thanks for coming to my rscuie, BJ, I had foprgotten the name of the third MM, used in 1946, beside the inverted one.
Dick

[wavysteps2003]

Yes, that is my current avatar. That was found in 2006 and is listed as one of my major discoveries.

BJ Neff

[Dick]

David, from your answer to BobP, you have become a member of "our own reference library", you now, the one we never think to look into!
Dick

[eagames]

Dick,

Doesn't it seem like a conspiracy.... all the S mint mark types and P mint DDO types. All we get are these D coins and they seem to have always used one mint mark per year and barely ever made a nice DDO we're lucky to get a tiny bar or minor wavystep! Whenever I can get a box from other places I get them to avoid looking at the boring perfect D cents. Wish they would make some D varieties we can get in change!

[coop]

Ed: The coins we get in circulation here in Phoenix have been picked clean. I never find anything from rolls here. I usually go to Precott to get boxes of roll to search. I find the samller the town the better I find something interesting. So its about time to go out of town again as there is nothing I've found here in rolls. Occasionally a beat up RPM, but nothing worth keeping.