Extra Curl?

[Steven]

I don't recognize this curl????
Die gouge, bubble or another lobe???
Any thoughts???
Steven

[Bob P]

Actually Steven, that looks like a design element that is more prevalent in earlier die state examples. It seems to disappear as the die wears.

[Dick]

Bob, and Steven, glad to see you both once again! Been at least 24 hours!
Gentlemen, tell me which way to jump, on this one: I have a coin that matches all the OBV markers, but only one, two, or maybe none of the REV markers. It has to be another die, but how is it classified? THose that match all of the criteria on the photos on site, are identified as such, but the others, ( like these mentioned) are put in flips, but with the info, and a big ? mark, for future reference, (if I should recall them).
Dick

[Bob P]

Dick,
If you manage to match ANY markers specifically to a die, especially on the side the variety is on, then you probably have that variety. Some dies present many markers, while other have few to none. I never discount a coin as a specific variety because I can not match all the markers. Markers can occur at any time during the process, and at times, the opposite die is changed out for some reason or another.
The first way to identify a variety should be the anomaly itself. Many varieties are so unique, that nothing else comes close. Next, should be major markers. If the site says there is a N-S die scratch through the B of LIBERTY, and your die looks like the variety, and has this die scratch, chances are that is exactly what you have, regardless of what other markers may be present.

[eagames]

I saw this 93-P slabbed as having a doubled ear. Just wondering if anyone thinks one exists or was it a missattributed hair curl? If anyone has one I'd like to see a pic

I don't see that listed here or coneca.


http://cgi.ebay.com/DOUBLE-EAR-1993-LINCOLN-CENT-PENNY-CERTIFIED-AU-58_W0QQitemZ110102582758QQcategoryZ31373QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dick]

Bob, thanks! That has been my assumption, but I needed to know for sure. I'll remove the "?" marks and start to number them, too. Seems that is what everyone else does. I do keep my "coins" in the date, mint, denomination , order, or in separate, "one denomination", and then date/mint order. I haven't distinguished by anamoly yet, but thaat day has to come. Now I'll be using the "Excel" app. Coop told me about, and how he uses it, and sent me a sample of how to set it up. Looks like my "first entries" will be around a thousand, or more. That box I showed holds around a thousand, and it is full, and lots of "leftovers"!. Gonna be busy! WHEW!
Dick

[Bob P]

Ed,
I have never seen that 1993 Extra Ear. I am not quite sure how, or even if SEGS has determined this to be an actual variety. As it is listed, and with the quality of the pics, I would tend to steer clear of this one.

[Dick]

Bob, after going to 6X zoom, I see what they are talking about. It is a small, nearly square spot, below, and behind the ear. I have seen a photo of it, and frankly don't think it is a "doubled ear". It is a lot like the spots that one sees in the eye socket, that gives the impression of a doubled eye lash. They say "It ain't so"...... The placement of the doubled ear just doesn't ring true. Maybe it's me, but I would not buy it. Now there is another one that is confusing, and it is a short straight line in that same aresa but just a bit up from the curl that is quite prominant there. They are NOT one, and the same! Might check Chucks book.
Dick

[eagames]

I looked at some 93-P rolls.

I saw that about 1 of 5 coins have the thing in Stevens photo above. I doubt it's anything but on full strikes it seems not to match the hair details but still did not look like a DDO.

Some coins have no detail in those areas and others just look different. Ummm must have been the wind in Abes curles or his curles were falling off between hubbings (it happens and Abe is older than us)

[Bob P]

Dick,
I will never say never, especially for the date. 1993 is not well searched because not much has been found in the past for the date.
What I have found over the years is that in quite a few instances, coins from the 80's and 90's have been 'Double Struck in the collar" I did an article on a very nice Kennedy Half Dollar that was double struck in the collar a few years ago. The picture below shows what people can see when this happens. There are other areas of doubling on the center of this coin that aren't that noticeable. I found this one on a 1984P cent only two days after I found the real 1984P doubled ear. Can you imagine what kind of heart palpitations I was having that day? What are the chances of finding two of a well know variety in pocket change?



Needless to say, there are other ways perceived doubling can occur in and around the ear. Ultimately, the 'looking at the coin in hand' rule applies here.

[Dick]

Very true, Bob, and by the way, that photo is not the on to which I referred. That particular photo is NOT the one I have as the 1997P "doubled-ear". (VCR#1/DDO#1
The ear "doubling" is not the same. Nor is it the 1984P-1DO-001, but it is similar to, but NOT identical to the 1997P-1DO-001. I thought there was a 1995P "doubled-ear", but I can't find it, or don't remember where I saw it.
Dick

[Bob P]

I understand Dick. The varieties you speak of are well known enough now to not necessarily being confused with coins like the one I pictured above. I think the point I was trying to make was that every time someone sees anything around the earlobe, they assume a doubled die. I guess I have rejected about 11 or 12 different coins as having some other sort of anomaly rather than the real doubled die. For some reason or another, the 84P and 97P doubled ears have generated some stronger than normal interest in the center of the die on Lincoln cents and Kennedy Half Dollars. Those are the ones I am most often questioned about.

[Dick]

I hear you, Bob, and can you imagine what the "question load" will be when, and/or if we get into other denominations? YOU will be a very busy young lad!
Dick