Interesting coneca site

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Gentlemen,

I haven't been a member here very long. I have visited Coneca's site on several occasion's to try and pinpoint a coin. There isn't a reason for me to use Coneca other than seening if they have a listing of a coin.

The new website they have now may be in it's dormant stage but by all mean's it will eventually have die listing that we all will need since there are so many to find.

I agree with Dick that Coppercoin's is the Greatest, but we should also all agree that Coneca is making a effort. I should add that this is the main website that I use.

I would also like to that Chuck and Bob for there tireless effort in there ability to attribute many coin's, take pictures, and post them on this website. Also BJ, Steven, and Coop for there effort's to helping determine a certain Variety.

Thank's

David

Bob P · Site Admin

I think we should (if we haven't already) take a look at the big picture...not tomorrow, but a few years down the road. The inroads taken just in the past few months has tremendous ramifications for the hobby. After all...isn't that why we do what we do. CONECAs effort is a long time coming. I wish them only the best, and will offer my expertise as well. A very valid point is that we deal only with Lincoln cents. In this 8 year endeavour, we have a lot of data here. I am hoping that CONECAs wide membership base provides them with the help they need to bring variety vista up to speed very quickly.
Unless you are strictly dedicated to collecting Lincoln Cents, there is a need for CONECA. Times and people change, and any bad mouthing or misconceptions about other groups out there should be flushed. However, your choice of where you seek and/or find the info you desire is exactly that...your choice. If coppercoins provides the best information, and it suits your needs, then you should use coppercoins. If CONECA does, then use them. Seems pretty simple to me.
BJ's concerns about a unified numbering system are well justified, but probably unrealistic. As long as people hold grudges, or have a favorite attributer or group, they will tend to stick with what they have. As long as groups maintain their own requirements on what is listable or not, there would be huge gaps in a single numbering system. Originally, coppercoins did not offer cross references for other variety systems. We do so now, but without being able to access the other clubs information, it is hard to fill in the blanks per Se'.
I personally think this will all work out in the future. BJ's stand with CONECA is admirable, and I think well delivered. We have other members of both groups (myself included) who have the best interest of all clubs in mind. We are numismatists, and we should stick together...don't you think??

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Bob - Extremely welll said. There are much larger enemies to fight than amongst ourselves. With the scammers, forgers and uncrupulous dealers, all out to make the fast buck, off the uneducated or poorly informed person, the big word is knowledge and getting it to those people is one thing that I am dedicated to doing.

BJ Neff

Dick · Expert Member

As many of you know, I am among the oldest members, if not THE oldest, BUT, I look forward to being able to maintain my membership with CONECA, Coppercoins, and Other sites, as long as I am "allowed" by the ONE who has the "LAST WORD". I realize I won't be able to continue for many more years, due to vision problems. As long as I can get enough "magnification" to see the coin, and also the variety, I will continue. It was BJ, and Mike Diamond, who got me looking at CONECA, and I joined, for what I saw as a site to answer many questions. Then came Coppercoins, and I was sold! Long live Coppercoins! No one site can answer all ones questions, but given enough sites, there will be few questions, if any, left un-answered.
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Just wanted to let you all know that ERRORSCOPE SUPPLEMENT is now on line. It can be reached by going to the CONECA home page and clicking on the link provided.

BJ Neff

GarryN · Expert Member

In response to B.J. Neff, "....are all the repetative listings from each organization a necessity? Does it serve the hobby to have four or five numbers for just one particular die variety? Is it a waste of time and money to have sites, that are non-profit organizations, compete against each other to garner support for that particular system?...."

Perhaps all the repetitive listings do not serve the hobby well in the short term. But do we want someone to step in and regulate it? Do we want the ANA or the PNG to step in and say Coppercoin's index is the best or CONECA's index is the best? No, this effort is still in it's infancy. The market may dictate which index is best, which resource is best, or it may not, in our lifetime, at least. And not all the index creators in this business are not for profit. John Wexler has his own index and he is a dealer too. Rick Snow has a well respected index on Indian cents and Flying Eagles and he is a dealer. And we know Chuck also sells coins on Lincolncents.com. We all have to make a living. Why stifle all that? So lets just respect each other, have fun and let the best man win.

eagames · Expert Member

Garry,

Some varieties are so similar that nobody knows if one listing is truly the same as the others listing.

I find a lot of varieties that are listed here but also sound like they match a Coneca variety but without marker photos there is no way to tell.

There's also many varieties listed by one person or site but not the others.

Maybe this is part of the reason for multiple overlapping listings. Smile

coppercoins · Site Admin

I'd be willing to clear up one thing. A universal listing system is impossible. Done. Not gonna happen. I poured over the listing system on this site for weeks working out the kinks before publishing it, and have been working on adding to it for years. I have published a couple of books using this system, and everything published about this system is editable and changeable. In my own eyes, this system IS what collectors need. It doesn't contain my name, it is publicly available in its complete form, and is managed by more than one person. I have heard from a number of people that this system makes the most sense to them. Did I mention that it is the ONLY system that is 100% published in USEABLE form. You want a realistic universal system? Fine. It's on this site, and will be on uscoinvarieties.com for non-Lincoln collectors as soon as I can get it there.

I have no beef with CONECA, NCADD, or the Cherrypicker system. I just have a better product because they were unwilling to work with me when I offered my services, and I needed to do something to put my collection in order. I wanted people to be able to see what I had so they could help me build my collection, and that's why this site was born...out of need. I didn't care about making money then, I just wanted to build a collection.

Well, now things are a little different because the site is more than a thousand times larger, hundreds of times more expensive, and far more time consuming than I had ever imagined. I've gotta start making something on it or I'll have to shut it down, but that's a different topic.

Once again, it's not a money maker and I have to pull hard to pay the bills each month by doing a lot of other things. Right now I don't have the time to justify working on it, but that day is coming soon.

GarryN · Expert Member

well said Chuck!