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1987P, Lincoln cent with obverse doubled die +
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wavysteps2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:27 pm Reply with quote

Ran across this 1987P, Lincoln cent with a minor obverse doubled die.





You can see some extra thickness on the date and also on TRUST with notching on the leg of the R.

No big deal right? However, on the other side of the obverse, there is this.



Yes, those are trail lines from the top of LIBERTY with an offset direction of 000 degrees. Still it is pretty minor and even with the doubled die, it is nothing really special. Right?

Okay, lets do some thinking. The doubled die would be labeled by most as a class VI or possible a Class II or even a combination of both; II + VI. Nothing wrong with that? By the way, Class II is distorted hub doubling and Class VI is destended hub doubling.

The "trails" are probably formed by the single squeeze hubbing method; all indications are that trails (wavy steps) are functions of the that hubbing system.

So what?

Okay, if we are to believe that trails are a function of the single squeeze, then we must throw out the doubled die as being a Class II. Looking at the definition of a Class VI as two hubbings from the single squeeze, which while possible, the odds of it occurring are iffy. Class IV? I would think that you would see a bit more thickness in the design elements affected. So what Class doubled die is it? That is a good question.

Another good questions is, what really did happen to put both these anomalies on the same die with movement in different directions. And if you think you have the answer to that, take a look at 2006-1DO-016, where you have trails and a doubled die, both in different directions and on the same design elements.

Just thought that I would scramble your minds with these unusual dies.

BJ Neff

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:53 pm Reply with quote

Maybe a single sqeeze class 9 with trails?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:33 pm Reply with quote

Trails may be a function of a single hubbing in the multiple hubbing process, but the doubled die you have is probably class 2+6. And for simplification sake, the listing system used on this site doesn't use roman numerals for classes of doubling because an increasing number of people in the public cannot read roman numerals.
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