2007P wavystep?

Steven · Expert Member

Found this 2007 and it shows, as indicated by the arrows, sunken lines running from the bottom left of the columns to the S/E. Was wondering if this is also considered a wavystep???
Steven

coop · Expert Member

Steven: You might try zooming out a little. It looks like something, just hope it isn't bag marks. But looks interesting on the right side of the base.

Steven · Expert Member

coop,
For some reason I'm having a hard time getting a photo today. I'll try again.

Steven

Steven · Expert Member

Took another 50 photos and gave up Mad

Gotta get a new camera.......

Steven

Dick · Expert Member

Steven, It is a wavy steps, but may not be big enough for listing. It is a nice photo, BTW.
Coop, here is a question fior you, or Bob, if he is listening: On the DDR's, more specifically, on the "bars", what kind of number would I put on the ID, when it is too minor to be listed? I have about 20 of them, all the same size, but too small for the site. One would think that they could go a little farther down in size to allow for the "lessor" sizes. Somewhat like the MM's on the 1960-d, with a whole gaggle of them! Mine are all about an arm's length., and definitely all from the same die. just thought I'd ask. Thanks,
Dick

coop · Expert Member

Dick: Here is the method that works for my personal inventory:

Date MM ANMOLY CC CON WEX COND. LOC EXTRAS DESCRPT
2006 P 1DO UKN UKN 001 BU BOOK WDDR-002
2006 P 1DO UKN UKN 001 BU BOOK WDDR-003
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU BOOK COOP-01 WAVY STEPS
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU ONE BOOK COOP-02 MINOR WAVY STEPS
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN U EXTRAS SMALL TUBE COOP-03 WAVY STEPS
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU EXTRAS BOOK COOP-11 # 7 MEDIUM HAND - ANKLE
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU EXTRAS BOOK COOP-12 # 7 LIGHT HAND - ANKLE
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU EXTRAS BOOK COOP-13 # 7 LIGHT ELBOW TO ANKLE LIGHT WSTEP
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU BOOK COOP-14 #7 LIGHT KNEE - CALF MINOR
2006 P 1DR UKN UKN UKN BU BOOK COOP-15 # 7 MEDIUM SHOULDER

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Getting back to the original post and whether these are wavy steps or not, I would say that they are not.

We have to remember that "trails", which wavy steps are a form of, are incused into the die. Since these lines are indented into the coin (which means that they would be raised on the die, which would be very improbable) it is more than likely damage after the strike that has caused these lines..

BJ Neff

mikediamond · Advanced Member

While trails are raised, I thought wavy steps were subtle furrows at the base of the Memorial. These defects look like furrows to me and they don't look like die damage. Just my two cents.

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, I thought those "furrows", as Mike called them were the , sic, "wavy steps"! Now I have to start all over! I see those troughs on many coins, to a verying degree, but I thought they were the "steps". I take it that they are actually, the "trails", so often mentioned. I see the same thing on the photos on the site, and thought that was what I was supposed to see. Aftera year-and-a-half, I am finally learning how to see many of these anomilies!.

Coop, I was able to read your post, by "highlighting" it. The Orange color is nearly transparent. I would prefer black, and maybe "BOLD" where possible. The method is simple to adapt, and I'll give it a try. I have yet to get excel on this machine, but, one-of-these-days! Many thanks. BTW, "stay cool"! It's gonna git hot"!

Mike. I see we agree on something, at last! If you recall, I sent you a cent that I thought was a "retained cud", and you said it had been acid etched. That was my first "lesson" in "coins, and what can happen to them, even minting, AFTER they leave the mint! I see your comments, now, and again, and would like to welcome you, as many others already have, to "our" forum.
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Lets take a look at another favorite wavy step of mine. This one is from 1993 and has a Denver mint mark.

The first area to look at is under columns # 11 and 12.

Notice that the lines that pass through the stylobate are raised. Original thought to be duplications of the fluting lines in the columns, doubled into the stylobate, they are actually a continuation of the corner formed by the column and the bay floor. Look at where the lines originate on the left handed corner. Notice that as the lines pass through the different levels of the stylobate, they have a tendance to drag the horizontal line, at the intersect, in the direction of the trail line.

Looking under columns # 6, 7, 8 and 9 we can now see where the name "wavy steps" comes from. Notice as the extension from the column and its corner passes through the steps, it drags the horizontal design in the direction of the "trail" motion, in this case south or 180 degrees. As the distance from the start of the "trail' line increases, the intensity or warping of the steps decreases. While there is no actual trail line to be seen, this can be simple explained. The distance between each step is small enough that the "point" that is gouging the die is not able to reach that space in between the steps. This is not that case with the stylobate levels where there is enough room between each level for that "point" to reach.

The last picture shows the area under colukmns # 5 and 6 and although the intensity of the step deviation is less due to the possible tilt of the die, it is still evident as the trail line passes through the steps, bending then downward.

I hope that you now can see why I believe that "wavy steps" is actually caused by a "trail" line that passes through the indvidual steps and that there is no difference between these anomalies.

Of course, if you do have any questions concerning wavy steps / trails, I'll be only to happy to answer them.

BJ Neff

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

One point that I forgot to mention concerening the first pictures posted. They show no step deviation (bending) as the line intersects them, either in the stylobate or the stairs themselves.
This is not a wavy step or trail die.

BJ Neff

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, if you mean the photo in Shane's post, next to, or slightly below, and left, columns #11, and # 12, the "impressions" that look like someone took a triangular file, and gently tapped it to make the slightly tilted lines, "furrows", then that is what I have been seeing, and call wavy-steps. I notice the same thing on column #10, as well, if you are referring to YOUR photo of the right end of the building,.

Later....Bj I would like to carry this on a bit farther, but I have some "WAVY-STEPS", that must be repaired, before someone steps too hard, and injures themself! These are not mint "effects', more like "water damage"!
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Sorry Dick, those are not wavy steps. They are just indents in the coin's surface from an unknown cause.

BJ Neff

mikediamond · Advanced Member

Thanks for clarifying the nature of wavy steps for me, BJ. I really don't have any idea now what's affecting the first coin that was posted.

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, are we talking about the "lines under 11, and 12, or about 8, and 9? They are not, all alike.
Dick