Think I found My first DDO??

[CP]

Not a lincoln.! But I found this Roosie while searching thru $50. in bank rolls.. I believe this ones a DDO.! or is it.?? BTW, it is a 2000 P..

Thanks,CP..

[eagames]

I'm not up on dime varieties.

But I think it's MD/strike doubled.

Notice how on the E where it shows best it took away from the normal horizontal lines.
Real hub doubling is an extra image along with the normal image. Strike doubling is an image on top of the normal image. So the normal image is missing part of it's metal from where it got strike doubled.

Here's a good example, notice how the second image took away from the normal metal on the date of this cent:

[CP]

Ed, I looked at the coin again & there is really no notching.! (I guess notching applies to the Roosies as well?) So, I believe you are right on the $$ once again.. Dang these DDO are elusive.! Im determined Im going to find one though
Another quick question.. I found a 2000 Lincoln that has a horzontal crack across Liberty, would this be considered a BIE? Or must the crack be running vertical between the I & E?

Anyhow, thanks once again for the help..

CP

[eagames]

BIE or IBE or similar cracks happened most on wheats from the 50s, they happen on modern memorials but are harder to find. On a lot of modern ones they must be catching them before they get big because I see more with just a dash ar something starting in that area. Is that what you see?

Here's a modern BIE:

[CP]

Yea it looks as though it was just starting.. It runs from the west to slightly north east thru LIBE.. The crack is very thin & appears to get slightly larger on the last letter affected.. I was going to take a pic, but I need the daylight to get a good one.. Try to post it tommorrow.

Thanks,CP

[coppercoins]

CP - I believe your coin is a rather strong example of die wear, but it looks unusual to be so. It doesn't appear to be a doubled die for two major reasons...

1. The "doubling" is on the opposite side of the design as I would expect it. The doubling should be on the outside of the letters, not the inside.

2. The letters don't appear any thicker than normal ones. For doubling to be present, the letters would at least need to be thicker than normal.

As a footnote, hub doubling is hub doubling. Doesn't matter whether it's a Lincoln cent or a 10 rappen coin from some far away land. The effect is all the same, no matter what the coin is. The only difference is of course the design and the appearance of the doubling on different designs.

For instance, one of the tell-tale signs of class 6 distended hub doubling on the reverse of Lincoln wheat cents is that the dot next to the E of EPU is elongated toward the rim and looks egg-shaped. Perhaps a 20 Drachma coin from Greece might not have dots, so naturally the major pick up point for class 6 doubled dies on those coins would have to be some other detail...however...the rule for what they are and their general appearance would be exactly the same.

[coppercoins]

Oh...and by the way, doubled dies are die varieties, not errors. This thread is in the wrong category...but that's okay, people will still find it.

[CP]

Great info CD.! I plan to order your book before long & can't wait to read it for sure now...

Anyhow, heres the pic of the cracked Lincoln I mentioned.. To bad it has the hit.! Its a pritty nice coin otherwise..

CP

[eagames]

Looks like a crack.

Is that a little blob/die chip starting on the E?

If they kept using that die it's crack would have grown more and maybe made some blobs among the letters.

I haven't seen many long cracks like that in that area.
Most of the modern ones are in the hair.

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BTW,

I think of CUDs as if you were looking at a round die (obverse die for example) and a section chips away from the edge and falls off the edge. (like a chip from a caveman chipping a stone into a tool) So a section of one die is gone. On the opposing die (for example the rev die) nothing is wrong in that area. When a coin blank gets struck the metal bulges up into the void where the section of obv die is missing making the raised blob people call a CUD. On a big one the same area of the other side of the coin (where the die is normal) will often not get struck at all because that area of the planchet bulged up the other direction making the CUD so that same area of the other side (in this example the reverse) will have a depressed area with no design in the area opposite of (behind) the CUD on the obverse.

So a chip is from a chip into a die but a CUD is from an area along the edge where the die chipped and fell off completely.

[CP]

Sure enough, that is a chip starting.! I didn't notice that.. Had to look at the coin again.. Atleast maybe my pics are getting better. So whatcha think, is it BIE??
BTW, the cudd info was really helpful.. you Guys/Gals here at copper coins are great..

Thanks,CP.