In regards to Cathy's 2007 Silver Eagle

MaryJF · Advanced Member

Well, looks like somebody else found these also. Calling them a "triple die".

Ebay Item number: 120156012735

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Thank's Mary,

I'll post the link for quick reference. It's a good looking coin but I won't bite.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120156012735

MaryJF · Advanced Member

I wrote to this guy and asked if he'd had it authenticated. Here's his reply.

"I sent several of these to Bill Fivaz (the guy who wrote "The CherryPicker's Guide"), and he felt that they are in fact tripled dies, but then said they weren't "dramatic enough" to warrant a listing in his book. Because of that none of the grading services will attribute it as such... No one wants to go out on a limb.

Regards,

Vince Vento"

Dick · Expert Member

MaryJF, and DAvid, I saw the link, and checked the coin with a program, (N'Vidia), and after putting some magnification on it, was able to see where they thought there might be some "tripling". I saw what could be possible indications above the date, and on the second "0", but only vaguely, not enough to say for sure. I noticed inside the same "0", an indication of MD. I'll have to check mine, and see if there is anything else besides the die cracks on some areas, like the right foot, on the slipper, and down to the rim area.
Dick

coppercoins · Site Admin

Looks like machine doubling to me from what I can see in the poor quality image.

MaryJF · Advanced Member

Dick, did you enlarge my photos (posted under Cathy's original post -
http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/MaryJF/2007%20W%20unc/?action=view&current=23.jpg )

The one I have, and the one Cathy shows look a lot like the one this guy sold. Can mechanical doubling look that much alike? I thought each coin would show differences on mechicals.

Dick · Expert Member

MaryJF, one of the characteristics of mechanical doubling is the similarity, due to the way it is produced. Thatr is, as tho it was "wiped sideways", with something flat, and even. I believe every one of them will show the wide, flat, table, or shelf-like surface, which makes them so easily identified. I have tried to identify every one I see as such, by mixing them in with other types of doubling, just to keep up on them. I still miss one, every now and again. They can be very convincing, but wrong!
Dick

notabot · Advanced Member

Cathy, Numismatic News shows a doubled die, or shelf double 1995 eagle silver coin. Ken Potter seems to have ambivalent feelings toward the coin, and I was left wondering what I read based on what he said. I bought a 1995 of the same ilk that NN showed about four months ago, and a local dealer called it machine doubling. But from all of what the pros here have said in response to my questions, I think it safe to say the there are indeed doubled die silver eagles out there, and I have some proof examples as well. The ANACS Pop report lists VERY FEW of these coins, and you could be dealing with some very scare coins, so get your magnifying glasses out and dig in. Tomorrow I will list dates I have found so you can all join in as well.
Love the hobby.

notabot · Advanced Member

Cathy, Numismatic News shows a doubled die, or shelf double 1995 eagle silver coin. Ken Potter seems to have ambivalent feelings toward the coin, and I was left wondering what I read based on what he said. I bought a 1995 of the same ilk that NN showed about four months ago, and a local dealer called it machine doubling. But from all of what the pros here have said in response to my questions, I think it safe to say the there are indeed doubled die silver eagles out there, and I have some proof examples as well. The ANACS Pop report lists VERY FEW of these coins, and you could be dealing with some very scare coins, so get your magnifying glasses out and dig in. Tomorrow I will list dates I have found so you can all join in as well.
Love the hobby.

notabot · Advanced Member

There is another on EBAY!

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-W-Triple-Die-Obverse-American-Silver-Eagle_W0QQitemZ120168267941QQihZ002QQcategoryZ39488QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And I have two proofs that PCI said were Hub Doubled, but looking at these, they are of the same style. They are 1986, and I will be listing at least one on EBAY next week with a pricey reserve. There are NO OTHER doubled die 1986 50 dollar eagles listed in the ANACS pop report, no hub doubling, or machine doubling either so these are very special.
According to the sales associate at the US mint, I was one of the first callers to order in 1986, so these were first strikes, but hey, who even heard of such a thing back then?
Gee, I wonder if they keep records that far back.. Exclamation

eagames · Expert Member

Looks like nothing.

Pop reports don't list strike/machine doubled coins so lack of them doesn't mean that if you find one it's rare.

Strike doubling is on many eagles and SAEs. I was chatting with a dealer and he was showing me tubes of them with massive strike doubling that he finds in SAE boxes. They're just bullion.

A typical strike double cent:
(notice how on this one it got the date but not the D)

notabot · Advanced Member

Thanks so much for the pic! That 57- is that a doubled die, shelf doubling, machine doubling or some other obscure type. Just for clarification from a pro. I have some 1969-s that look like that 57.
Really. Local dealer called it machine doubling. Question

eagames · Expert Member

You're right the 57-D is machine doubling/strike doubling not worth anything extra.

Some year's and mints have lots of it. 57-D and 68-S and 69-S are full of them. That's why you see so many strike doubled 69-S being sold to people that think it's a real DDO. The 69-S is used as the example of strike doubling shown next to the photo of the real 69-S DDO on page 364 of the CPG or here's a great link to PCGS, I think of this link every time I see someone selling strike doubled 69-S cents on ebay.... it's funny from that perspective.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=3532&universeid=313

coop · Expert Member

Seems like the two terms Strike double and machine double would be different.
Strike doubled would seem to be on proof coins as they are double/tripled (in some cases).
Machine double would apply to business strike coins with a loose machine. Seems like they should be listed as different rather than together, interchangable.

eagames · Expert Member

Thats true but for me I'm mostly just deciding it's either a doubled die or a something else and other than curiosity I put non doubled dies back as nothing special unless I save it as an example like the 57-D.

I wonder why some proofs don't show any strike doubling, somehow the coins don't always move/bounce from the multiple strikes. Seems like they would move more often than they do.