the ol' '55 poorman's ddo

[gription]

does that have an official ddo # listing, or variety listing number of some sort, etc.. or is it just a machine-like 'doubling' that the public turned into a variety?

[Bob P]

The Poor mans DDO is not a DDO at all. It is simply die deterioration doubling. There is no variety number assigned to it.

[coop]

I checked a roll of BU 1955 Cents and noticed 19 of 50 were the supposed poorman's DDO. If you buy all of them for big bucks, you'll be the poor man in the end.

added:
I forgot to mention that they were from different dies in the VLDS. Not something to list as it never was anything but a common die worn out.

[eagames]

It could never have a number.

The reason is each real DDO variety is one specific die with hub doubling, that's why they give them a number and identify them with markers that are specific to the die or specific to some state of the die. The "poor mans" aren't from a hub doubled die and they're from many different non doubled dies.

However some of the minor real 1955 double dies also have deterioration like that in later states. I've seen it on 1DO-003 and I've also seen the rare 1DO-002 on ebay listed as a "poor mans". Be sure to look for the minor real ones.

[gription]

how about the wide AM's.. do they have numbers?

[coop]

The wide A M doesn't cause all of them are the same, made from the same hub. That would be impossible. Even with die markers, they all would be hard to tell which one was from a certain die. All started out as normal coins, but have the wide A M instead of the narrow AM that the rest normally have.

[eagames]

Like Coop said the wide AMs don't have coppercoins numbers since they are not from a specific die but if you send them to TPGs they will put it on the holder.

Not sure exactly what PCGS or NGC says (I think just Wide AM?) but ANACs says "Proof Rev Hub"

There might be an FS number for them, maybe someone knows.

[coppercoins]

I am working on a way to list varieties, but don't expect it this year. The 1955 poor man's doubles will not ever be listed because they are simple die wear and nothing else. The same thing exists on 1946, 1948, 1953, and 1954 coins as well as others.

[Steven]

Here is one of those poor man 55s that took a little closer look to find something.
Steven

http://www.coppercoins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&highlight=

[coop]

Here is another example:


Wow my 1949 post. The year I was born.

[carlb]

[eagames]

Carl,

CD already did.

Page 161 in "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
It has a good pic and explains what the 55 poormans are.

Oh what he said above about a way to list varieties....
I think he meant design varieties (like types) like the wide AM or LD/SD which are design varieties as opposed to die varieties that his existing system already lists. So he would not list the poormans 55 as either since it's a die state (with a lot of wear) that exists from many different dies not a die or design variety but he does tell about them in the book.

[coppercoins]

They will also be explained in the upcoming book on common, uncollectible stuff people mistake for collectible and valuable coins.

Once again, this feeds into the idea that just because ebayers and dealers put a $10 price tag on them and some uneducated people buy them, it DOES NOT make them valuable.

The same collectors at the same shows could be finding them for 50 cents, and anyone who buys BU rolls of 1955 cents knows that your chances of running into coins with shadow doubling (die deterioration doubling, or abraded die doubling) is about one in two. They are extremely common, extremely misunderstood, and should not go for any premium. Anyone who charges (or pays) a premium for them does not understand the fundamentals of how coins are made, and they are throwing money down the drain. End of story.

[mikediamond]

Doubling of the last digit due to die deterioration can also frequently be seen on cents bearing the dates 1947, 1948, and 1953.