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daggit
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:37 pm Reply with quote

Die deterioration? doubling?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:54 pm Reply with quote

Which type of doubling are you refering to?
Doubled Die?
Machine Doubled?
Die deteriation?
On machine doubling and die deteriation doubling, the result is the same. No extra premium for either. They can be identified by the die design shoved or pushed toward the rim. If you look on the SE edges of the date & mint mark you can see the even push lines.
I probably have the strongest example of Machine doubling.
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1937-S_Machine_doubled.jpg

Deteriation Doubling. On this you can see the uneven wear and the wear marks NE of the date & mint mark.
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1913_S.jpg

On a real doubled die you can see the letters/date enlarged, just not pushed with a step or smeared look.
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1964DDR_ON.jpg

http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1937S_1DO_002.jpg

http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1968S-1DO-coop-10PR.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:59 pm Reply with quote

Coop, I think daggit is curious abput th MD that is on the "R" and "C". That is all I noted.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:11 pm Reply with quote

Die Deteroiation. Kinda look's like a ski slope.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:24 pm Reply with quote

David: That is what I felt was the correct answer. Just didn't want to say it. Wanted others to see the image and come to a conclussion.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:34 pm Reply with quote

LOL, there's that terminology again. Thanks guys just wanted to know if it was junk. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:35 pm Reply with quote

I understand Coop. For future Reference I "Will" read between the lines next time. Daggit, those are nice picture's your taking.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:38 pm Reply with quote

Coop, thank you for the photo's it helps considerably. It is it possible to have a doubled die presenting thickened letters but no split serifs or do they have to be present?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:39 pm Reply with quote

Rhubarb wrote:
I understand Coop. For future Reference I "Will" read between the lines next time. Daggit, those are nice picture's your taking.


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Thank you...I'm trying for when I find the "biggie" Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:44 pm Reply with quote

daggit wrote:
Rhubarb wrote:
I understand Coop. For future Reference I "Will" read between the lines next time. Daggit, those are nice picture's your taking.


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Thank you...I'm trying for when I find the "biggie" Laughing


With your Spirit I have no doubt. Keep your eye peeled down. You will do fine.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:48 pm Reply with quote

Yes. Class 6 doubled dies have the widen 9 in the date and other numbers/letters. But the 9 is what I check for first.
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1937S-1DO-Coop-01a.jpg

Reverse:
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1957P_1DR_coop_01.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1946S-1DR-coop-01.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1959P_1DR_005_NE.jpg

But it is always nice to find the ones with the splits better. You know instantly what they are.
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1962P_1DR_coop_06PR.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quote

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It is it possible to have a doubled die presenting thickened letters but no split serifs or do they have to be present?


Yes it is, those would probably be class 6 or 9.

Try the search function on the site and you can see examples of each type. Most wide ones would be class 6 and most biggie class 6 ones also have some other clues such as the vertical spines of letters like the BE of liberty might be curved in like this ) at the center and the E of WE might have a ramp on the bottom of it.

Here's a good example class 6 DDO, (1934 1DO-003) look at the lower part of the E of WE or the curved spines of the letters of liberty:


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