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GabeSenior Member
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I stand on my post. I believe it IS tripled. The "8" shows it nicely, and the "9" could also be. My eyes aren't in the best of shape.
Coop, those shots of the doubling, and tripling shows some of the more interesting doublings on the Mexican coinage. I have a batch ot them, in various denominatinons, some of which I have [posted in the past, (when my photos were a lot worse than now), not that they are much better yet, but....
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Dick, the 8 (to me atleast) does only show doubling and so does the 9. I can't see any signs of tripling on the pictures provided.
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 coopExpert Member
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:12 pm |
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Dick: The point I was trying to show is that some countries don't worry about the doubling on the designs. The U.S. Coins seem to try to avoid that from happening. But not a focal point on other countries. I still like to see it as that is something I search for, but nat as valuable when most of the coinage shows it.
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daggitSenior Member
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:37 pm |
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| Dick: The point I was trying to show is that some countries don't worry about the doubling on the designs. The U.S. Coins seem to try to avoid that from happening. But not a focal point on other countries. I still like to see it as that is something I search for, but nat as valuable when most of the coinage shows it. |
In making the point about some countries not worrying, are world coin varieties worth any premium or are they simply looked at as oddities. Also Coop does value/interest change depending on what country minted the coin. For example I believe this was minted at the Canadian mint, does this make a difference to collectors? Do things like that play a role in demand or is it simply what an individual collector is willing to pay for an addition to their collection? I know that most US varieties are sought after, whereas the rest is just a toss in the bucket? I'm glad I have this coin because it will aide me in my search and being able to better identify a doubled die. However knowing the worth of a coin (ball park figures) is always nice to know as well. I have never run across a table that gives tentative pricing guides for world errors/varieties...is there such a thing?
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daggitSenior Member
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:38 pm |
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Wow I'm long winded!  
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coopExpert Member
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:49 pm |
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Again, the answer as to value is what a collector is will to pay is what it is worth. Probably on ebay a doubled die collector will pay more for it as it is a doubled die. But the strongest World doubled dies don't hold a candle to the U.S. classic 1955 DDO. So some collectors buy them on Ebay, but the value is more than a regular coin. So I would start it at double the value as a coin in that mint state and see where it goes from there. Or keep it as a momento of find your first doubled die. Always nice to look back and compare what a real one looks like. I still have my first RPM I found. Ask me about that in a different thread, I may have already covered that before. "My first variety found" and see what happens there. You might get an insite on how others collectors started. Probably in the variety questions thread.
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daggitSenior Member
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Hi coop, yes I intend to keep it. I believe it will be a good guide for me if I think I see a doubled die, and will lessen my redundant posts I'm not set up for selling on ebay, I wouldn't have a clue where to start...for the moment I'm quite content just searching 
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 DickExpert Member
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Okay, I cooncede! I think my "peepers" are about to give up the ghost, from so many coind at one time. I din't rush thru one box, as fast as I have thru four! I can't argue with Coop, he holds all the aces!.
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 RobertSenior Member
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Daggit:
If I may interject here...
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I think, as you said, that US varieties are far and away the most collected. That said, look at a Krause world coin catalog and you'll see MANY varieties listed for MANY coins from MANY countries. Some are quite valuable (at least per Krause).
Examples:
1955 Canadian cent without shoulder strap
1926 Canadian nickel "far 6"
1951 Canadian nickel high relief
1906 Canadian quarter small crown
1946 Canadian half with maple leaf and curved 7
various Canadian "Arnprior" dollars
Not to mention the 1936 "dot" varieties of their cent and dime.
These are just a few 20th century Canadian varieties that I would say are highly sought by collectors. There are also many 19th century Canadian varieties that fall in the same category. I would put Great Britain more or less in the same category as Canada here.
If you look at Krause's "Republic" silver issues of Mexico (roughly 1840-1900) I think you might find more "varieties" than "regular dates". There are so many that I would say most of these varieties have little to no premium. Many South American countries are like this, IMO.
And there are so many varieties of older Chinese coins that I can't make heads nor tails (pardon the pun) out of them.
Finally, I happen to have "The Guidebook & Catalog of British Commonwealth Coins 1660-1969" by Remick, Linecar and James. In it there are no fewer than 4 pages of Australian die varieties listed. I don't think these are as highly sought after as they used to be. Not sure why. Interesting reading though.
So what I'm saying is there are plenty of varieties out there and plenty that have yet to be discovered (or even re-discovered). The value depends on how many people are chasing them. I may be wrong but it seems to me that the varieties that are being chased most are #1 the US, then countries like Canada and Great Britain, then everyone else.
(who's long-winded NOW? )
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daggitSenior Member
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Yes Robert by all means interject I know there are Canadian varieties...boring Unfortunately someone got mad at me one day and "turfed" my Krause Catologue, so I no longer have that reference material. By the way... thank you for your "longwindedness"
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RobertSenior Member
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:12 pm |
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You're welcome!
There are other reference books for certain foreign coins. The one that comes to mind is Charlton's for Canadian coins. I've had some luck making an offer ($5 or $10) for an older Krause at coin shows. (Who cares about the newest coins)
This may be the time to study/buy varieties because of the relative lack of interest. At worst, you would have an interesting collection and you would have learned a lot. At best, you might pick up some real winners. A good example would be Morgan Dollar VAMs. If non-US varieties ever catch on, look out!
The same thing applies to Coppercoins. One of the reasons I love this site is that I may have a nice cent variety in among all my "common date" coins. This site is a great tool for determining what I have.
Variety hunting is a significant reason to take a second look at your "common" coins. I've found several good RPMs in my old Lincoln cent collection I put together as a kid. They were "common date" coins but now they're more interesting (and more valuable) as varieties. The same thing may apply to foreign varieties in the future. Who knows.
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