1969 S Double V.D.B.

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Is this a known error? Does this command this much as far as the price goes? Just wondering, I'm not planning to bid but how rare could this be. I have several 69 S with MD, could this be the case?

Rhubarb

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260180807772&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

coop · Expert Member

Just normal machine doubling. Some may view it as a premium, but it my book anything more than a Cent is over priced. I view them as damaged cents, not collectables. But others go for the bait and don't see the hook till its too late.

Rhubarb · Senior Member

eagames · Expert Member

I've seen a few of these sell on ebay for big bucks, it's not even a variety just MD. On most of them you can see very normal looking MD on other areas of the coin.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Some do consider this an error while others do not. Since it does occur at the MINT and not outside, I do consider it an anomaly or error type coin.

While I do agree that some of these MDDs are over hyped and way over price, I will also concede that there is some added value, especially to those who do collect this type of striking error.

The post auction is unusual, however, not unique by a far shot; I have seen the exact same doubling of VDB on Lincoln cents before. Value wise?; beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if he or she is willing to pay such a price, knowing what the true nature of the anomaly is, then let them.

BJ Neff

chrsb · Member

I do not post much here but have to agree with Wavysteps. We can not protect everybody from buying what we think is worthless coins. I have seen some pretty ridicules things sold on eBay. I have also picked up some pretty good buys by taking chances on some things that did not have a good picture but did have a return policy.

What I do not like about the auction is the private listing, it leaves to many opportunities from someone to do bad things. Its like leaving something unlocked that needs to be, someone walks by who normally would not think of stealing and the thought enters their mind.

Everybody has to learn sometime about coin collecting, for some people it just takes more money that others.

eagames · Expert Member

rollmeupabe · Veteran Member

OK, call me stupid, but this auction has me wondering whether or not the VDB doubling is indeed a variety. The machine doubling on the date is clearly exhibiting the shelf-like image. The VDB does not appear to have the same machine slippage effect. The letters do appear to be overlapping much like a true DDO. I just read and reread the sellers description and I would consider this a well disclosed auction. He is not telling anyone what it is worth just how it was created. He also has some other great auctions like this 2006 DDO http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-P-CENT-ROLLS-NEW-DDO-DISCOVERIES-WORTH_W0QQitemZ260157191684QQihZ016QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem this variety was the topic of another post and I think it sold for hundreds of dollars.

OK, in unison, what a stupid .................

Bob P · Site Admin

Rollmeupabe,
Something that needs to be understood about the VDB doubling in this auction is that the VDB is incused, therefore, the flat-shelf-like doubling of a normal raised mechanical doubling does not necessarily show. There is little doubt that this doubling is a result of machine doubling. If there is a loose collar and the dies 'chatter', this may account for the overlapping image. This same auction has been on EBAY for years. Some people like the effect and will spend whatever they think its worth. Whether or not it is considered a variety or not....my opinion is that it is not.

coop · Expert Member

In order for it to be a variety, every coin would have the same VDB/VDB. But that is not the case. Only the coins were the loose machine distorted the coins are affected. The rest of the coins struck from that die pair are normal. Unlike a doubled die or RPM or OM.

Dick · Expert Member

Rollmeup, I din't agree with one being stupid.No one is perfect, so it just goes to show that we all are human.I do dimb things, and no doubt others do, also, but that doesn't prove we are stupid.
Wait until I get my "11-cent coin". then you can all say, in ubison.....
Dick

Rhubarb · Senior Member

The listing I posted wasn't intended on causing contreversy. The Coin in question is MD. I have a comment from the buyer that suggest's it is a honest sell"

Back in early 2005, I sold my 1st one for $410.00. The 2nd place bidder begged me to sell him one for his runner up bid of $400.00. I was shocked & told both of them that this is NOT A DOUBLED DIE. They didn't care. The 2 sets of VDB initals is the only attraction for me, not the junk, trash, damged, worthless Strike Doubling. Even though the 2 sets of VDB initals are created because of it. Over the last 30 years I have found only 48 with the VDB spread at about 50%. Makes a real nice picture. I like to put one on eBay once in a while to direct foot traffic to my store. It works. I am not a dealer, just a error & variety collector with a passion for the hobby. I pride myself in my honesty. It allows me to sleep very well at night.

To me this suggest's that BJ's post is correct. It depend's on what the buyer want's.

My perception of this seller is he is honest on what he is selling. As Bob has said I also agree that there not a D/D by any mean's.

Rhubarb

rollmeupabe · Veteran Member

I think I have good news and bad news. The good news is I found one.

The bad news is this is a 1968S, not 1969S penny.

coop · Expert Member

Two years of the heavy machine doubling era. I guess I should find my extreme doubling Cents and see if I can find one like that. I've never noticed the VDB doubling. Just the distorted Date. It always was a reason to toss them into my education rolls. Never know when you need an image of machine doubling and they are easier to find in a roll of MD ones.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member