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 RussellhomeVeteran Member
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Well - it is not much, but I found the same thing on 3 different silver proof MN quarters.
What? Can't see what I'm talking about at 40x. How about 200x...
An "Extra Tree" DDR? Well, not much of a tree. Perhaps the 'North Star' DDR is a better name. Judging from what I've seen on KP's web site, I'd bet it is attributable.
I've also found a few other decent SMS MN DDRs that have not been attributed by KP yet...
And this one - another tiny speck, but I think it is still a DDR...
I sold all three of the above SMS DDRs on ebay as 1 lot of 3. They were bid up to a grand total of $2.25. I guess I should have waited for attribution.
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There is a precedent for that speck type of anomaly being called a DDR. On Ken Potters site, it is DDR #31. I'd be willing to bet he would list yours as well. As far as your last photo, it is a DDR also.
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I know MN DDRs are old news -- but I still like them. I did find a really nice Silver Proof MN DDR lately - so I decided to revive this post. It looks much like DDR 33, but on a Silver Proof. I know a similar DDR showed up in Crawfords DVN - but that was a clad proof. I don't think it has been listed yet in silver. Here is the photo... [edited to add Wexler ID - the DDR below is now assigned WDDR-009]
To update you on the photos in my origial post of over a year ago... The MN Proof shown was not listed. That DOT was too minor for Wexler. Plus, he thought it most likely a die gouge or tool mark.
The other SMS coins shown did get Wexler IDs. To date, none of these has shown up on Potter's page, so FYI - here are the photos again - along with the Wexler ID assignments...
The file ID for the one on the left is WDDR-103 and the one on the right is WDDR-064. The one shown below is WDDR-108. Again - all 3 of these are SMS (satin finish).
I did find one other 2005 P MN SMS DDR that I did not show in the original post. Here is WDDR-062...
Can you spot the extra branch on this one? This one is kind of hidden - perhaps that is why it has never shown up on eBay. (see the extra bump at the bottom right side of the tree - right at the rock line)
And finally -- here is one of the photos I took of 'the big one' - 2005 P MN SMS DDR-004. I noticed that one of my photos picked up the trails a little bit. I know that BJ mentioned trails exist on some of the MN quarters -- I didn't know it was on one of the better DDRs...
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Ken,
Chances of any more Minnesota DDRs being listed by Ken Potter are nil to none. I sent him a box of 23 different Minnesota doubled dies, and he just plain stopped listing them very early this year to pursue other coins and noteworthy numismatic issues. I did get the box back with none of them being looked at for attribution. However, John Wexler did list the majority of them. I do agree with him on the 'speck' specimen. It is probably a gouge of some sort. It is really too bad that Ken stopped listing them because it was a nice arrangement with other attributers for listings, and access was available to his site for self attribution. I have collected over 800 Minnesota doubled dies with a large number of duplicates. I also discovered two more different doubled die obverse (ear lobes). I have no idea where this will all go, but I am hoping for a revival of the Minnesota doubled dies.
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Here is one I called Minnesota Moon. A die dot.
a few other extra trees. Not sure where they went now....
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| Bob P wrote: |
| ... Chances of any more Minnesota DDRs being listed by Ken Potter are nil to none. ... |
You should probably contact James Wiles if you want a CONECA attribution. He contacted me about my OIV nickels and just attributed about 20 new varieties. He also requested that I send him my Oregon and Minnesota 25c DDRs that have been listed by Wexler, but not represented on Potter's page. I am putting this together now.
I will say this -- Wiles sets a little higher bar for what he will attribute. I think there are some MN DDRs that are already listed that he would have considered too minor to list. He sent back as "too minor" several OIV nickels were previously listed by other attributors. Considering the shear number of 2005 varieties -- setting a higher bar is probably a good thing.
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| ... However, John Wexler did list the majority of them... ...It is really too bad that Ken stopped listing them because it was a nice arrangement with other attributers for listings, and access was available to his site for self attribution. |
The common listing concept was a wonderful idea -- but it was doomed to failure the way it was implemented. IMO - it needed some unbias 3rd party to distribute the work and compile a centralized database for all the attributions. Routing everything to one guy just was not going to work. Of course, who knew that the volume of 2005 DDRs discoveries would be so high.
The bad news about the process falling appart is that it is now impossible to get PCGS recognition for new varieties NOT listed on Potter's site. PCGS will even attribute 2005 D MN 25c SMS DDR 4 - which is a barely decernable speck of a DDR -- while some really good ones (like the new Silver Proof DDR I found) have no way to get PCGS recognition. Recognition by the grading companies does help.
John Wexler is planning on publishing a CD of his State Quarter listings -- although I have no idea when. Hopefully - having published work by a major attributor will help revive interest in the series. It is mind boggling how PCGS can attribute some really minor MN DDRs and won't attributed either of the two strong Oregon DDRs (die 1 and die 2). It just does not make any sense. Perhaps they will when we can point to published reference material.
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| ... I have collected over 800 Minnesota doubled dies with a large number of duplicates. I also discovered two more different doubled die obverse (ear lobes). I have no idea where this will all go, but I am hoping for a revival of the Minnesota doubled dies. |
I too hope for a revival of the MN DDs. I also like the 2005 5c OIV DD series (but I seem to be the only one). Some of these DDRs are very bold and interesting. If you read the CONECA descriptions of some of these, it sure sounds like many are 'major' discoveries compared to much of what has surfaced in recent years. But, unfortunately - I think so many showed up at one time, it just put people on tilt. It helps that these are 'one-year-only' designs. It is impossible to collect everything in this hobby -- and the optimist in me says that one day, there will be people who decide to focus on a series and put a collection together. Getting the listings published first will certainly help.
And to Coop... I do love that "MOON" variety -- even if it is just a die dot.
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