1970-S DDO?

[Dick]

While checking for LD/SD, I came across this one, that seems to be a lot thick, (wider), that the others. Possible DDO?


Thanks, Duick

[coop]

[Dick]

I didn't take a "good" photo. It was mpstlu to note the thickness of the date. The condx of the coin, (looks like it has been run over with a few cars). I will re0do the shot. In the same batch of 30 coins, I have found 7 different dies used. The most being a fairly low "S", and one very low "S". One is up "in the loft", and two are to the west, and south-west. like you say, the keyboard is awful small!
anyway, here are three more, that might be better




Dick

[Dick]

If I could find those(-----) photos after I get them! I found this one. Maybe it will help.

Dick

[Dick]

I tried to "locate' the photos of "liberty, INGODWE, and trust", but I can't find them! It is frustrating! The text is just too small. What I got, is posted. Hope it helps.
Dick

[Bob P]

Looks like die damage to me Dick. I also agree with Coop's assessment that there may be some die wear as well. By looking at the other photos, I am pretty well convinced that it is not a doubled die.

[Dick]

Bob, I agree. I didn't think it was, but with my vision problem, I thought I would ask.
Dick

[coop]

Dick: All who read the forum will appreciate your sharing this. They may have/or will find the same thing will know what it is in advance.

[Dick]

Bob, Coop, and any others, lurking, thanks. It was my pleasure to ask. Now; I have another question, but it has nothing to do with my vision. Have any of you noticed that there are two sizes of large dates on the 1974-D cents? I didn't, until today. When, after about a hundred cents, I find there are two dates, large, and exrea-large dates, as well as the small date. The "P", and "S" don't show this anomaly, (so far). The thing to look for id the distance from the "4" to the rim. There are two definite readings. Actually three, if the small is also read.



Here are the three, in order: sm, med., lg. The MM seems to have relevance, too in the differences.
Dick

[Bob P]

I see what you are getting at Dick, but I don't have an explanation other than die positioning...but the rims look the same as far as that goes. As far as revalence of the mintmark...I wouldn't think so. They were still hand punched at the time, so any proximity to the date would be strictly coincidental unless it is the same die.

[Dick]

I got an email from KurtS, commenting on the MM sizes. He says there is a difference in some of the sizes. I was looking at the distance from the rim to the "4", and noticed there are three positions. The large date, being the closest, and the small date, the most distant, but there were several of "in-betweens", and the MM was not in the same position every time this occurred. I knew the MM was hand-punched, and took that into account. Maybe Kurt has stumbled onto something, with the MM's. I don't know if Chuck has noted, or said anything in the A.R.O.L.C. , as I haven't gotten but one packet, and haven't more than just glnced thru it. Thanks for your reply, and info.
Dick

[coop]

The size of the mint mark depends on how deep the punch was hammered into the die. The width, how close to the first punchings the second/more landed to the original. Thus the mint mark was set for depth (By hand) and widened by how many time they hit on the same area. All hand work, will end up anywhere on the obverse and separated accordingly. we have found thousands of RPMs. Well will no doubt be finding more with more collectors looking.

[coppercoins]

As for the 1970S, it's most likely coin damage, not die damage or anything else. Looks like something hit and flattened the top of the 7 and 0 causing the anomaly.

On the 1974 cents, the first and third ones you posted are small date, and the middle one is a large date. There are only two different sizes on those - what you are seeing is additional coin wear and damage that make them look different. The distance of the 4 to the rim is one of the major pick up points.

[Dick]

Thanks, Chuck, I thought that might be the case. I went thru several more, another 250, and the same indications persist, to varying degrees. I'll list them as "worn Large date"
Dick

[coppercoins]

Again, the two worn coins you have in your post are both small date - not large date.