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daggitSenior Member
Posts: 560 Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:58 pm |
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When searching Lincolns and you often come across Lincolns profile doubled ...are you to automatically assume any other doubling on the cent is not Hub Doubling (terminology?) Do you still scan the rest of the obverse, or just chuck it to the junk pile?
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:13 pm |
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Sandra, I don't know for sure, if you mean Machine doubling, or "parts of the cameo are doubled". Perhaps a photo of what you question would help.
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RussellhomeVeteran Member
Posts: 280 Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Mechanicsville, VA
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:56 pm |
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A doubled die can have the same problems as any other die. In other words - a coin produced with a doubled die can have MD, be struck through, be broadstruck, etc. So you can't assume that if you have MD, the coin should be junked without further examination.
Case in point... The most recently publicized 1969 S doubled die was also reported to have mechanical doubling. IMO - the MD would lower the value of the coin -- but a 1969 S DDO in any state is a golden find.
From my personal experience, I found some 2005 Westward Journey Bison Nickels DDOs that also had MD. I was able to ID the coins as a CDDO-003 from the markers -- but the actual doubled areas of the coins were altered significantly by the mechanical doubling and it was hard to see the notches that are easily visible on an EDS example with no MD. It his case, the MD really hurt any value that the coins may have had.
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daggitSenior Member
Posts: 560 Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:07 pm |
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Thank you Ken, and I was just wondering Dick about cents in general. I thought I saw one of the experts make a comment about profile doubling and to discount any you find. However I may have read into it wrong.
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:02 pm |
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There are a great deal of Lincoln cents that have a doubled profile (especially the forehead) that is in fact hub doubling. This is very prevalent in the 40s-50s. Although this is hub doubling, it is very common and commands no premium. I believe some of it has been attributed to reduction lathe doubling. I am sure the more you look, the more you will see of this type of doubling.
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:46 pm |
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Certain years have a lot of doubled profiles, maybe 1957, 1968,1969 are big years for it. These are not hub doubled, just MD.
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daggitSenior Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:00 pm |
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JRoccoVeteran Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:03 pm |
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You may be referring to an effect called Reducing Lath Doubling.
Not very common but seen occasionally. I will see if I can dig out a pic to show.
_________________ John
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