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kenSenior Member
Posts: 584 Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Location: Phila.,Pa.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:26 pm |
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Came across this today from my nearly full 5 gallon jug I was looking thru.Only one side of the coin is off center struck.How can this happen?Rare??Thank you to all for your input.
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:31 pm |
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I believe in this case, it would be considered a misaligned die (MAD). Off center strikes would indeed affect both sides of the coin. Either way, it is one of the strongest misalignment's I have ever seen.
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kenSenior Member
Posts: 584 Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Location: Phila.,Pa.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:23 pm |
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Thank you Bob for your reply!!How rare is it and approx value/Not that I am going to sell it.Just curious.Thank you,Ken
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mikediamondAdvanced Member
Posts: 191 Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Location: Western Illinois
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:42 pm |
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They come a lot bigger than this. This is certainly collectable, though, and is probably worth $10 - $15.
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:11 am |
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While speaking of MAD, is it possible for the reverse to be offcenter, while the obverse is centered?
If you think about it the answer is simple, if you can figure it out. Think third!
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mikediamondAdvanced Member
Posts: 191 Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Location: Western Illinois
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:22 am |
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Yes, I've written two articles about such errors in Errorscope. The easiest way for this to happen is when the reverse die functions as the hammer die. This started in the Denver Mint at least as far back as 1992 and there was a gradual changeover over the next 10 years. By the middle of 2003, all coins were being struck with this die setup.
It's also possible for the anvil die to be misaligned. This can happen if the collar breaks apart, freeing the die to move laterally. There's a 1984 cent that documents this circumstance. It can also happen if the entire die assembly -- the die plus the collar -- shifts laterally. This has been documented in a large number of Virginia quarters.
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:43 am |
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Okay Mike, you spoiled the fun, however, your answer is absolutely correct.
Many people neglect to think of the collar, or third "die", and in this case it is the instrumental piece that centers one of the dies. As you pointed out, in most cases, the hammer die is the die that is more likely to be offset, while the anvil die is the centered die.
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mikediamondAdvanced Member
Posts: 191 Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Location: Western Illinois
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:22 am |
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Oops, sorry. I didn't scroll down far enough to see that it was a test. I'll be more careful next time.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:55 am |
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BJ, if this situation had npt been put in place, you would be researching the "wavy hair", instead of the wavy step, and the "bars", that frequently show on columns 6, and 7.. Correct?
Dick
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:08 am |
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Actually Dick, trails and wavy steps are die related. The area that is being discussed in the topic is strike related.
I have seen MAD struck coins with trail and wavy step dies and MAD does nothing to affect that effect.
BJ
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