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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:00 pm |
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I decided to pick the Loupe up today and search some Steel Cents. I don't know if this is Machine doubling(I think Liberty is) or Ejection Doubling. It appear's that it is LDS due to the MM and 3 spreading to the East. The date show Ejection Doubling. The thing that is confusing is that all Letter's and Numbers appear to have different thing's going on to the N, S, E, and West. Thank's.
Rhubarb
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StevenExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:42 pm |
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I would say niether. Looks like the build up of corosion on the coin is causing that effect.
Steven
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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:19 pm |
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Steven,
Could it be Longacre Doubling? I do think your on the right track with corrosion, but it does seem to have something going on.
David
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StevenExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:28 pm |
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What I am seeing and I could be wrong... It looks as if the coin corroded then the higher points of the devices have had the corrosion worn away, chipped away leaving what looks like separation lines around the devices.
Lets see what others may think about this.
Steven
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DickExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:44 pm |
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Looks like die deterioration to me.
Dick
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:29 pm |
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Well being everyone else is entering their opinions. I would say it was a re-pocessed cent that was found outside. The separation around the devises is just a flaking off of the zinc coating, which could happen to a regular coin. But the reason I think reprcessed is this: The platting the second time made the coating thicker and flaked away leaving the marks beside the devices. (Some on both sides of the devices.) I seen this before on a coin sent to me.
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:05 pm |
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Since the same thing is going on with the date and the MM it's the first clue that it's not a DDO. MMs were punched after the die was made in that year so if you see the same thing going on with the date and MM it's probably something other than a DDO.
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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:07 pm |
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Thank's Guy's. I didn't know what was going on. I didn't think it was a DDO. I have never seen one like this before. Thank's again.
Rhubarb
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smedSenior Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:29 pm |
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It does look amazingly like Longacre doubling, but of course that's not possible.
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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:56 pm |
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| It does look amazingly like Longacre doubling, but of course that's not possible. |
Smed,
Please Explain. I don't know why it's not possible.
Rhubarb
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smedSenior Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:54 pm |
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The lettering was not all punched at the same time, yet it appears as though it was. Sure is neat looking in any case.
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mikediamondAdvanced Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:59 am |
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It sure looks like die deterioration doubling to me.
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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:48 pm |
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| It sure looks like die deterioration doubling to me. |
Mike,
Can you explain die deterioation doubling? Does it add any value to collect, or throw back into the pile?
David
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DickExpert Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:20 pm |
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David, I believe U can answer your question, altho you directed it to Mike diamond.
When a die is new, the edges aree sharp, and leave a nice sharp imprint on the planchet. During the "aging"ocess thru wear, the edges begin to crumble away, and the outside of the device, 'letter, or number' begins to widen, giving the appearance of doubling, when actually it is only normal ageing, and deterioration, as the name implies. Value? None, Toss it, unless you wish to keep an example to show what the aging of the die looks like.
Dick
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RhubarbSenior Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:42 pm |
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Thank's Dick,
The "Doubling" threw me off. The more I learn about this hobby it seems I forget the beginning.
David
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