1998, 1999, and 2000 Wide AM Cents

Dick · Expert Member

John, I appreciate your input, and info. It looks like I may havew to start a "Cent project" of my own: "92, '98, '99, 'and 2000! while I probably would not sell any if I found one, but they would be available for photos, you can be sure. It will be easier to find the "D"'s here, because the :"P" is as scarce as "Hens teeth",
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

I was searching and found the thread on it.

They were 2 1992-D wide AMs not P.

Maybe Josh can tell you more if he reads this thread.

http://www.coppercoins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3484&start=0

Dick · Expert Member

John, I got busy, and forgot to ask if you know what area the '92-D was found? It might reduce the search to "less than half of the country. LOL
Thanks,
Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

I have looked for those '92 AM varieties too, but they sound considerably more rare than the '98 Wide AM. No luck as of yet. Confused

Dick · Expert Member

Kurt, it seems the '92-D were found in the South-EAST!
Dick

doubledguy · Member

Hello Everyone,

I appreciate all of the responses to this thread.

Ed, even though the thread that you refer to has two 92-D, the first 92 that was discovered was a P-Mint, so this creature exists for both the 92 P-Mint and 92 D-Mint cents. The question at this point is how many different dies were affected for each of the Mints. That will determine the ultimate rarity.

Dick, I imagine if I could find all of the articles that I have stashed away I might be able to find the geographic location of that first 92 D-Mint find, but at the moment I wouldn't have a clue as to where to look. Now that I am retired from teaching I have to take a couple of days to sort through all of the articles that I pulled over the years and get them organized and filed. Wish me luck on that one!

Kurt, I suspect that both the 92-P Mint and the 92-D Mint varieties will be extremely difficult to find. I have no hard evidence to support that. It's just a feeling based on how few have been found so far.

Dick, let me know if you find any of those D-Mint coins. I'd love to get some photos. Good luck searching for the others as well.

I do have an update regarding the 1998 P-Mint Wide AM varieties. My first post indicated that I had 17 different dies listed for the 1998 P-Mint Wide AMs, but yesterday I was going through them to record all of the die markers in preparation of photographing them and I found that one of the separate dies listed was actually a stage of one of the other dies. Don't know how I missed it the first time through, but it means that I now have 16 1998 P-Mint Wide AM dies listed rather than the 17 originally reported. I guess the good news there is that it does (for the moment) make the 1998 P-Mint Wide AM varieties a little bit scarcer - at least on paper - with just 16 affected dies rather than 17.

I think that pretty much covers it for now. Keep searching. They are out there!!!

John

P.S. Someone asked (in a separate e-mail and not this thread) why I countersigned my first couple of posts as JAWs. Back in the late 1970's and early 1980's I published a monthly magazine entitled ERROR-VARIETY NEWS. In the photo captions I would give credit to whoever supplied the photo. I didn't like to write "Photo by John A. Wexler" so I would put "Photo by J.A.W." It ultimately led to most folks calling me JAWs. I put it in the early posts for the "oldtimers" that might remember it. I still have a few folks in the hobby (real oldtimers like me) that still refer to me as JAWs.

doubledguy · Member

Dick,

Thanks for the extra info on the geographic location for the 92-D find! It seems that a lot of new varieties are found in the southeast. If only I could convince my wife to move!!!

John

Dick · Expert Member

John, that depends on where you are, and whether she sees a benefit in making the move! LOL
I'll keep looking, in fact I just got another box of cents, but thet look like they might be 2007-D. I'll stash them, and open a box with a noticably circulated cent, that way I stand a better chance.
Dick

ddorpm · Advanced Member

Great to see you on board John and thanks for all the info.

It is my understanding that the 1992-P Close AM discovery specimen to have been reported from Parker Ogilvie out of MA and was subsequently published in my Jul/Aug 2006 issue of DVN magazine and various other media press.

I have seen two 1992-D Close AM on eBay auctions with both being from the same seller who resides in AL. One just recently ended a few days ago.

To date, I have never seen an actual specimen of either the 1992 P or D-Mint Close AM. But, one never knows, might be lurking in that next $25 box.

Billy

doubledguy · Member

Hi Billy,

Nice to see that you joined this thread!!! It's always great getting your input.

I have your DVN, which is a phenomenal publication, plus I do have articles about these from other publications such as Numismatic News and Coin World. I just have to find them and that may prove to be as challenging at this point as finding one of those 1992-P or 1992-D Close AM varieties!

You are absolutely right! You never can tell what treasures that next $25 box of Lincoln cents will bring. Now that I am retired from teaching I hope to be able to join in the fun of searching once again!!!

John

gription · Advanced Member

i was 4 seconds away from winning the pcgs au58 92d that ended today. only the 2nd time i've seen one on ebay.

in a way i'm glad i didnt win, but i am let down too...

all i could wonder while deciding is how many more are out there... i wonder if this'll be a super coin in 20 years or not.. it's kinda weird.

great thread.. these AM's are intriguing

doubledguy · Member

Sorry to hear that you missed out on that 92-D! What did it end up going for? Keep looking. Even if it is just one die that was affected, if it ran a full die life there should be about a million of them hiding out there somewhere! Wink

John

gription · Advanced Member

it went for $1632. it's the only one in the 10/07 pcgs pop. report.. ngc has 4, and anacs has 4 as well i think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150228721159&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005

do you really think there are a lot more out there? more than likely a full run of 92's didn't hit the new die.. probably just a few trickled through.. right?

ken · Senior Member

Don't you despise those snipers?????

doubledguy · Member

If nothing happened to the die as it was striking coins, chances are good that it ran a full die life. I suspect that 1992-D BU rolls and/or mint-sewn bags have not been heavily searched so chances are good that there is a hoard of them out there somewhere waiting to be found.

When Mint inspectors check struck coins as they come off the presses they are not looking to see if something like the wrong reverse design was used, especially one that requires a really close look to see if it is a "Wide AM" or a "Close AM". They are just looking for things like major die breaks (cuds), or major die cracks - things that might cause the die to fail in the coining press, or significant doubling that can easily be seen. They don't look as clocely at the struck coins as some might think.

Still, even if there are a million of them out there, when you look at the total mintage for 1992-D cents it is still going to be a very rare variety.

John