2006 gouge or extra column?

[wavysteps2003]

Just a couple of things. "Die scratches or die gouges do not add to the value of the coin". I would agree on that point, HOWEVER, there are exceptions; exaple the "speared Bison". When I see this die offered for sale and it is in the four digit area, I shiver and think to myself, "all it is is a well placed die gouge, who would pay for such a thing" and the "poof" it is gone!

Probabilities - I was not trying to refer that a name change was in order. What I was trying to imply is that there are higher probabilities of a die scratch or gouge appearing in certain areas of the field than in other areas of the field.

As Bob mentioned, terminology can be confusing unless it is spelled out specifically and hopefully, we who use this forum will use specific terms. There exists in this forum various levels of understanding and learning and those in the higher levels must pay attention to those terms used and be sure that they are understood by all.

Did I learn something today? Yes and I hope that tomorrow will be the same.

BJ Neff

[Dick]

BJ, I hope we all learned something today! That would make this a very valuable day. Any day that goes by, without learning something, is a day "lost". Nobody gains.
Dick

[coop]

Other anomolies that happen to coins that are not hubbed into the die is extreme die cleaning. 1922 plain comes to mind and the 1938-D Buffalo Nickel. Neither was hubbed into the die, but was created by excessive cleaning of the dies. What you really have is a damaged dies and they bring big bucks for either coin. Collector popularity creates a market for them. Also the speared Nickel. Something created into the die (not hubbed that way) that bring bucks for a damaged die. I found a die gouge on Jefferson's nose, but you don't hear of them for sale. I only found one in the roll, but I don't know where I put it right now or else I would put up an image.
Others errors of striking big big bucks as they are what they call errors, as they are usually a one time occurence. But that is another subject. So I will stop here.

[eagames]

Or extra leaf quarters

[doubledguy]

Ed,

I find this one to be quite interesting and would really like to see the coin itself before making any formal comments on it. Making an evaluation based on what is seen in a photo can be very dangerous. Sometimes what is there is quite obvious and sometimes it isn't and can be very misleading.

I learned that lesson the hard way many, many years ago (back in the early eighties prior to my writing for Coin World) when someone sent me a photo of doubling on a modern day commemorative coin that had just been released. It sure looked like a doubled die based on what I saw in the photo and I wrote the gentleman telling him such, but that I needed to see the coin to actually confirm this, list it for my files, and shoot photos for my files.

The gentleman never sent the coin but did send his photo and quotes from my letter that indicated Wexler believed it was a doubled die to Coin World. Coin World ran a story on the variety calling it a doubled die without consulting directly with me.

The problem was that I had never seen any specimens of this commemorative issue and the doubled area involved incuse lettering. The incused images on the coin looked like raised images in the photos. Mechanical doubling produces doubled die like secondary images on incuse design elements so it turned out that what I suspected was a doubled die was actually just mechanical doubling. Coin World subsequently had to run a retraction on the doubled die story.

I now try to be very, very careful when commenting based on what I see in a photo unless I am 100% certain of what I see in that photo.

The photo that you present here Ed has to me strikingly similar characteristics to a 2006 Lincoln cent doubled die that I have listed that has a partial column through the lower right side of the statue of Lincoln. Your photo reminds me of this variety although what you have presented is in a different location. If I can figure out how to attach a photo, I will include a photo of the variety that I am referring to which is listed as 2006 1c WDDR-040.

Someone I believe commented about the slight curvature of the image. If you look very carefully at the fluting lines of the columns, they are not perfectly straight but do have a slight curvature. There are apparently two parallel lines that look like they have the correct spacing for the column fluting as in the photo that I hope I can successfully include here.

It may indeed be just a die gouge, but if you are willing to send the coin to me, I'll gladly take a look at it for you and render an opinion based on seeing the coin itself.

John

P.S. OK, I can't figure out how to attach any images. Anyone care to give me step-by-step directions for that?

[ddorpm]

John makes excellent points. Some of these can be very difficult to evaluate.

I posted a different 2006 cent with extra raised elements in the 10th and 11th Memorial bays. I do have a dupe of it so at least I know it's not gaseous bubbles. But, as it stands, it could just be some interesting die gouges and no more.

As such, I felt the best avenue to proceed with the coin is to illustrate to include die markers in a future issue of my DVN magazine to alert other collectors in possibly locating additional specimen(s). Hopefully, one that would be of a different state or stage that would exhibit additional evidence that would benefit in making a determination.

Billy

[eagames]

John,

I think I did not keep these since it seemed to be a gouge.

I'll see if one turns up hidding in the junk pile. LOL

[Bob P]

John/Bill,
Did you guys realize this thread was from last year? I started reading it and said 'I've already done this' If Ed can't find his example of this coin, I will try to find one here. I believe I might still have it.

John...If you hold your cursor over the 'Img' box above your reply screen, it will give you the format for adding pics immediately above the typing box. If that don't work, I will locate the thread here that should help out some.

[eagames]

Thanks Bob,

That would be nice if you found one for John.
I think I sent one to you and one to BJ last year.

John,

The photo must be in photobucket (or something like it) then just paste the link (the link with IMG at both ends) into your post.

[coop]

The date thing freaked me out all so. I didn't remember my posts, but that was a year ago. I don't think time should be a restrictive factor to the forum. New members read them and they are new to them. So if I find a mistake in spelling I change it because who know how long they will be kept.

I case I hadn't mentioned it John. Welcome to the forum. It a meeting of the mind from all corners of the world at times. All will benefit from what were bring here. Its all about the love for the hobby.

[Dick]

John, in case I haven't welcomed you to the forum, I'll "oficially" welcome you now. You will find some very knowledgable folks.
Dick