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 RussellhomeVeteran Member
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I recently bought some doubled die coins from an eBay seller from Brasil. They arrived today. All I can say is WOW! For all I know, these may be common in Brasil. What ever the case, I like them and to me they are well worth the average price of $12 each.
2001 25 Centavos DDR
1997 10 Centavos DDR
1949 2 Cruzciros DDO
2000 10 Centavos DDO
It is nice to finally have a few 'major DDs' in my collection - even if they are from another country.
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 eagamesExpert Member
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Wow that 2000 is a monster!
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 Bob PSite Admin
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Doubled dies such as what you've pictured here are much more common in Brazil. Their quality standards are not very good there. That being said, I agree with you totally! Those are awesome doubled dies, and for the price...well worth adding to your collection. I add examples like that whenever I can find them. You may want to look at coins from Columbia as well. They have a good number of doubled dies and repunched dates.
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 DickExpert Member
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I have a few from Mexico, as well as some clashes, off-centers, etc. I no longer collect Mexican, so they can be had. I am currently going after Canadian cents.
Dick
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 DanesterAdvanced Member
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Nice, Very Nice.
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RussellhomeVeteran Member
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:56 pm |
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| Bob P wrote: |
| Doubled dies such as what you've pictured here are much more common in Brazil. Their quality standards are not very good there. ... |
Some of these almost look like they were done on purpose. Someone was asleep at the hubbing press. Common or not, they are cool to look at. My youngest daughter liked the 2000 DD so much, it is going to class for show-and-tell next week. Who knows - maybe she'll recruit some new DV hunters from her class!
The dealer that I got these from offered me other good DDs that I didn't get. Given the many 'monster' Brazilian doubled dies that exist, I wonder how many exist that are not so 'jaw dropping'? My business partner is from Brasil and he goes back there to visit every other year. Perhaps I'll have him bring be back a few dozen rolls of coins to search - just to find out.
One other thing... I was curious why the 1997 10 Centavos and the 2000 10 Centavos were different alloys and different sizes. So I wrote the seller in Brazil and asked. The seller wrote back and although the english isn't perfect, I think I got the gist of what he was saying...
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Dear Mr. Russel,
We are glad you received the coins safely and you enjoyed. Double die coins in Brazil are quite rare. We have a big mint house, which manufacture also for many countries on South America and Africa. These means that supposedly with modern machinery don't use to happen many times errors.
In another hand, we are a pour country of more or less 2 hundred millions souls. This way we demand a lot of small money.
Also in Brazil we are not like US, we have much less coins collectors. Those are the reasons why you can buy cheap Brazilian errors spite they are really not common.
Regarding your question, in 1994 a inflation of 30 years could be stopped by the government with a great sacrifice of the people. That occasion was created the new currency pattern: the REAL (reliving an old money name from the XIX century). The coins were manufactory in emergency situation. The coins were minted in the following face values:
1,5,10,25,50 cents and 1 REAL. The metal was stainless steel and all of them have the "Republic" figure face, all was very similar distinguishing only by the sizes and the face value.
The people in special the older had enormous headaches to handle it.
In 1998 was created a new pattern to the Real coins.
The 1 and 5 cents are made by copper plated steel. The 10 and 25 cents by brass plated steel, 50 cents by copper nickel and the 1 Real a bi-metallic copper nickel center in brass ring.
In 2002, the 50 cents coin changed the metal to stainless steel and in the same year the 1 Real coins changed to stainless steel center and copper plated steel the ring.
All these changes are federal; in Brazil is prohibited regional money. Currency is a monopoly of federal government.
I hope these can answer your question and any way, don't hesitate to write us.
In the next week or after, I will send you some coin errors pictures with prices, please just inform me if you have interest only in double dies or all the errors.
Have a good weekend.
Warmest regards,
Francisco
Brazil Numismatic.
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So - if I read this correctly, the coinage was changed in 1994 as some effort by the government to curb inflation. And then people didn't like it and things changed again in 1998. Well - I hope they don't have too many vending machines down there. It sounds like coins can come in all kinds of sizes for the same denomination.
And according to Francisco, DV errors in Brazil are still "rare". And perhaps they are by world standards. I do think we need to give our U.S. Mint some credit for a great job minting coins. Considering the billions and billions of coins they've minted over the years, there have been very few 'jaw dropping' die varieties (e.g. on the scale of the 1955 1c DDO). We DV hunters have to be satisfied with minor to moderate DV finds.
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I concur with what your Brazilian friend said on most counts. They do mint for many other countries, and those countries also have quite a few nice doubled dies. I would expect that they think they are rare, but based on the mintage of those coins, they are not as rare as he thinks. The majority of the major doubled dies from Brazil that I have seen have gone to middle-late die states, so they seem to be struck for the duration of the die's life.
The U.S. Mint does have very good quality control considering the sheer number of coins they mint, for the U.S., and for many other countries as well. However, other mints (such as the Canadian Mint), have even better quality control.
No matter how you look at it, world coin varieties are exciting. It is a new endeavor for me as I have just started looking for them in earnest. Some are spectacular, and I don't care how common or rare they are, I just love them.
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GabeSenior Member
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:28 am |
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Brazilian doubled dies are very common.. and the moster ones are not too hard to find. To each show I go, I always make it a point to look through Brazilian coins. I have found some monster doubled dies that I have later sold on ebay for a nice premium.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:21 pm |
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Are the coins from Brazil struck with an incuse date?
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RussellhomeVeteran Member
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:09 am |
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| Are the coins from Brazil struck with an incuse date? |
Sandra
Yes - the recent issues are designed with incused dates. It makes for some funky looking doubling over what we normally see on a doubled die.
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I really like that second arm and sword on the 2000. Quite an interesting find! 
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DickExpert Member
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I agree with all. I have not seen any coins from Brazil, There are a few I have seen from other SA countries, but none with any doubling, that I recall, *this was when I collected world coins, many years ago). I do hace a few from Mexico, but not as striking as the 2000. I will look thru them, and post a couple, at a later date. Thanks tor the photo. It is nice!
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