question about 1922 linc

[aballein]

hi folks...been a loooong time...

I just got back from Texas today and while i was down there my mother gave me some wheats she had been saving, she was rattling off some of the dates..all common.. and then she said 1922 and i almost fainted. The ladies she works with give her all the wheat pennies they find in their cash registers and this happens to be one of them, i would like all of your opinions on what variety it could be and maybe a rough idea of condition, this pics arent the greatest and you may not be able to give a condition estimate but i would really like to know which variety it is.

[coop]

Its a 1922-D Cent. The only Cents made that year was from Denver. The dies were highly over used and cleaned excessively. The devices and the mint mark were cleaned off some of them, others it was weak and others normal. But there is no such cent as a Philly made coin from this year. If this cleaning had happened on another year it would have been of no note. But because they didn't make Cents in Philly that year, some collectors think they have the holy grail of coins. some think they must have one to complete their collection as Dansco thinks it should. But all the Coins missing the D mint mark are just over polished dies that were continued to be used that year. They aren't true varieties as a variety would have started from the first coin and continued to the last coin. With the over polishing of the dies, it doesn't fit into this catagory. It is like the three legged Buffalo Nickel. Just over cleaned dies that people go nutso over and pay a big price for them, but are just V-VLDS die coins. Some are claimed as having no "D" and some are claimed to be light "D" and others are called normal ones. I would say your coin fits into the weak "D" catagory. Some would pay more for it than a regular, but is just worn dies to me. Give me a nice EDS coin and I'm happier with that. To me they are like the bottom of the barrel. But others go........ Well I've already gone there on that subject. I wouldn't throw it back, but it is a conversation piece and hole filler if you have a Dansco album. Some would look at your coin and think it is worn down, but that has some wear, but the dies were really worn down. On some of the So called "D" coins they have to grade the coin by the reverse because of the severe wear to the obverse. Some like yours looks worn on both sides.

[aballein]

i guess i misspoke when i said variety, what i actually meant was die state, and yes it is just a hole filler but i wanted to attribute it correctly due to the fact that some do carry a premium to collectors...one can hope i guess. Considering that there are 4 different listings on the PCGS price guide and i couldnt see the "D" i thought it could maybe be the "NO D" type, which would carry a nice premium to some folks. If nothing else its a nice find from pocket change and had i not recieved it i would probably always have a hole in my collection. Thanks for your time coop, much appreciation.

[Rhubarb]

In your 3rd picture I think I faintly see the D. I think it a great find since I have one in my dansco just like it.

Rhubarb

[ken]

Coins mag lists the weak d at $32 in good,while the 22 no d die 3 strong rev is at $725 and no d die 3 weak reverse is at $300.There are people that do desire the no d type coin.Great find either way

[Dick]

Welcome back, anallein, nice find! I thought it was the "weak "D", strong reverse, but I don't see well enough to "haggle"!
Dick

[eagames]

Good to see you back!


So does the story go something like?

There was a normal die.

It got worn:
"weak D weak reverse"

It got it's D filled in and the second 2 got weak:
"weak reverse no D"

It got it's obv die polished and they fixed the second 2 and replaced the reverse with a stronger one:
"no D strong reverse"

So the same coin in each die state changes in value a lot, the worse it gets the more people pay for them
They call it by several die numbers but wasn't it probably the same obv die?

However it goes LOL the weak D is common, the no D weak reverse is worth something but not as much as a no D strong reverse.

[coop]

Ed: I think it happened to many dies that year. They used them till the dies died. Even BU ones looked that bad. I don't know how the TPG would figure out what grade to give them with the heavy die wear and coin wear figured in. I have one almost like Allens as far as weak "D". It filling the hole in my Dansco album. Probably put it up on ebay when I retire and see it to an idiot who don't know any better.

[Dick]

Coop, if that "D" had been any lighter, it just wouldn't have made it! I don't have a .22, but I had a .45, and a doubled barell, sawed-off shot gun, once. Make that read a "double-barrelled". Not a good day, sorry....
Dick

[aballein]

heh thats the weakest D i have ever seen...i think i see one on the second picture i posted but cant tell for sure