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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:10 pm |
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I can only agree with everyone.
It probably was wrong to call it anything other than a gouge but it will stick forever. The extra leaf publicity will keep it around. The SHQs needed something to spice it up.
The people that made out best are the ones that sold them for moon money and the loosers are the ones that bought for moon money (I saw them sell sets for almost thousand for a while).
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:10 pm |
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ED, the "leaf, high, or low" will always be one of the coins I won't own, unless someone gives it to me as a gift, and that is not likely. Priimarily because it cost them a lot more than it is worth, and I provide no incentive towards making one a gift. Besides, my folder doesn't have a hole for one.
Actually, I believe that the coins I have, (own), will never be sold. They will never be part of a "big collection that MR. Joe Blow owned, and is considered priceless. I don't worry about a coin being cleaned, or not. I won't slab a coin, no matter how "pretty it looks"!! The slabbing is a "MONEY" business, and I am not in it for money. Just my personal pleasure, and entertainment, as well as a bit of education, which I am slowly acquiring as I go along. Many mistakes, and a lot of long hours, but it is fun, and beats sitting in a darned old rocking chair, waiting to just fade away, and finally die. When I go, I'll have a pile of coins on my desk, and ppenty of tubes, or paper rolls to fill. Nope, no time, or room for a rocking chair! How was YOUR day?
Dick
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:20 pm |
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Exactly, as well as a cooperative effort with the big auction houses to make big money off the "coin investor". Because anyone who can reach for their wallet can now buy a "certified coin", this increased sales traffic has been misinterpreted as "value", when that's ultimately driven by long-term collector interest.
Ironically, all this activity has led some collectors into believing these plastic shells somehow lend value to coins. I suppose if you buy off the internet, or sight-unseen it gives some peace of mind, but it's no guarantee now!
While I have a few nice slabbed coins, I'm rather put off by them because those casings prevent me from studying the coin closely. Just like V.I. Lenin behind the glass window of his tomb, there my coin lies "in state", like a distant reminder but supposedly preserved forever--or does it?
Excuse my rant over this pet peeve. I just think this whole slabbing affair borders on the ludicrous.
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GarryNExpert Member
Posts: 1296 Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:32 pm |
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Hi KurtS
I think that David was kind to Ben Franklin. I think Franklin was a typical guy in a KMA mode. His best years were behind him, his writing, his currency and coin designs, his diplomacy and he was in it just for the fun. He died in 1790 so he was on his last legs by this time. I still respect Franklin, I would love to have one of the pieces of currrency he printed in 1759-60. The funniest part of the book was the night Franklin and Adams allegedly spent a night in the same bed. Can you imagine? LOL.
I agree that the corn cob on the quarter could use some touch up, but all the quarters suffer from design flaws. They were mostly designed by amateurs who did a great job in retrospect.
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:36 pm |
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I agree, I felt the author was even-handed. I just thought their was a notable contrast that spoke volumes about John Adams' character. B. Franklin was a brilliant man in many ways too--one of my favorite early Americans. We need more people like this today--role models.
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GabeSenior Member
Posts: 691 Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:56 am |
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I personally would not pay more than $25 for these, but I can see how someone else could. Regardless of if the coins were intentionally made by mint employees, or if it was truly die damade (yeah right!), I can see how people could be drawn into these.
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mikediamondAdvanced Member
Posts: 191 Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Location: Western Illinois
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:03 am |
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The 1944-D half dollar with re-engraved designer's initials is an unquestionable example of die modification. Yet this sells for prices a lot lower than the "extra leaves". You can get BU specimens of the 1944-D half dollar on eBay for $100.
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eagamesExpert Member
Posts: 3013 Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:54 pm |
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A similar thing might be the accented hair Kennedy halves but they were made on purpose.
I forget the story... something like Kennedys wife did not like his hair on the half so they fixed it on one proof die but tht that die got used for some of the first proof sets.
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KurtSSenior Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:16 pm |
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I found one of the "accented hair" Kennedy proofs recently--is that one overrated too?
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GarryNExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:03 pm |
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Ive seen a number of Accented Hair Kennedy's for sale and I finally looked it up. I guess the variation on the hair must be difficult to explain because anytime I see the die described, it only mentions a missing serif on the "I" in LIBERTY.
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:55 pm |
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I think it's also a grade rarity, not worth much for a low grade but a super high grade has a moon money price. Need to see the PCGS price guide for it.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:22 pm |
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Ed, I recall reading that article by someone, that explains the why of the "accented hair". Yes, it was "Jackies" idea. She didn't like how the first coins came out, and got hold of the engravors, to have them change it. she thought that JFK looked, "unruly" . No , I don't think it will be another leaf-type thing. It is too lunlikely that it will ever be more thasn a curiosity.
Dick
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