1994 rotation error

zekeguzz · New Member

I just found this tonight,wow. How common is this degree of error. It is the first rotation error in cents that I've found. The coin has some wear that shows a lot. Yeah, what might it be worth? THANKS-------- zg

zekeguzz · New Member

whoops! The cent in question is the first on the left and the third from the left

eagames · Expert Member

Slight rotation adds nothing, that one has enough to have some premium but I'm not sure how much. Smile

GarryN · Expert Member

http://www.rotateddies.com/

This is the Rotated Dies census. At the bottom of the home page is the New Discoveries link. If you scroll down you will see a 1994-P, 165 degrees rotation, and an R-5 rating, which on that site means 30-80 known. Still no indication what the value would be.

There is an asterisk on that one and on many others which means that the author of the list has one of them.

eagames · Expert Member

Just wondering...

In your pics is the obv in the exact same position in the pics of the reverse?

That would make a big differance, on way it's 165 out but if it's the other way it's much less.

GarryN · Expert Member

I dont know what the logic is to calculating the rotation. The census has as many clockwise calculations as counterclockwise. The one above looks like over 180 degrees clockwise. Maybe the smaller rotations are calculated counter clockwise because a limit might be set at 180.

zekeguzz · New Member

Eargames, the obverse is as you see it. Head straight up as in the normal cent. Going CW wouldn't the rotation be greater than 180 degrees? Or going CCW it looks to me like 165 degrees. zg

GarryN · Expert Member

Counterclockwise it looks close to 165, nearly bisecting a 45 degree angle.

eagames · Expert Member

Zeke, That makes it special, I haven't ever seen a modern one that far out!

Looks like you're on a roll! 1999 and 2000 wide AMs and this 1994, that's enough to motivate your search efforts Smile

mikediamond · Advanced Member

This is a well-known, major rotated die error. The rotation is 165 degrees. I have one myself. It's a fixed rotation, rather than a dynamic rotation. Price in BU condition is around $75, although I've seen it range from $75 to $125.

zekeguzz · New Member

Well, it's not hardly a BU grade but to me it's so uinique that I will take it out and just look at it and say " wow, I'm sooo lucky". Yes it's still in a flip when I do that.
When searching my rolls I often talk to myself and the cents. Havin' fun, laugh a lot. Must be out of my censes, I mean senses. Rolling Eyes

Dick · Expert Member

Zeke, you are juse like all the rest of us "normal folks"! We collect coins, and now and then, "our thoughts"! Wink

Dick

Rhubarb · Senior Member

GarryN · Expert Member

I dont want to trump Mike or Chuck or Bob, but I will give it a try. I think the 0 point is due north. I believe what the picture is showing is what the coin looks like in coin turn. If you flip the coin so the portrait is head down the the reverse is what you see on the right. In the usual case the memorial is upright. In the error, third from the left the coin is 165 degrees from north counter clockwise.

Again, in this case if you went clockwise, the the rotation would be greater than 180 degrees and I dont think we want to go greater than 180 degrees.

Dick · Expert Member

Garry, I Believe it is a matter of the direction stipulated. It can be 165 degrees CCW, or it can also be 195 degrees CW. On our coinage, the orientation is 180 obv/rev is N/S, when rotated in the vertuical plane. Other s for example are N/N. IE Canadian coins are currently N/N, when rotated in the vertical plane.
Dick