Looking for a picture of the 1998, 1999 or 2000 Type II cent

[rollmeupabe]

I saved a bunch of cents from these years to search for the wide AM / Type II variety. I know I have seen pictures on websites before but now I can't find them. If anyone could give me a link to a website I would appreciate it.

Also, is the Type II found on both D and P or just one ?

[rollmeupabe]

After having rolled 5-6 rolls of 2000 cents with no finds I was beginning to lose hope. Then I found one ! Now I am energized to look at my 97 and 98's. I will try to post a picture of this one later.

[Robert]

How's this?

http://koinpro.tripod.com/VarietiesUS/1998and20001cTy2Rev.jpg

(Sorry to do this Chuck, but it's the only one I found.)

[Gabe]

I dont think that there are any 1997 type 2 reverse cents. Only 1998, 1999 and 2000 type 2 cents known. The rarest being 1999 type 2 reverse. All of the known pieces are from the Philadelphia mint, meaning that no known Denver mint coins are known.

[rollmeupabe]

Thanks for the help. I searched through a bunch of 1997's before reading the post. The only good news is I think I found a phantom D but I need to take a picture.

Here are the pictures of the 2000 Type II cent I found this morning.

http://home.comcast.net/~johnemorgan/wsb/html/view.cgi-photos.html-MerchantID-123391-Publish-t-makestatic-true-skip-10.html

[joeyuk]

I have heard rumors of 1996 and 2001 cents as well but have yet to see one. If it can happen in the three known years I suppose it could have happened for any.
Look at the 1956 proof Franklin Half. It has a business strike rev. for the type-1 variety. I believe it comprises 5% of proof coins.
There are many years of quarters which also had "A","B"&"C" type rev. in the 50's and 60's.

[coppercoins]

Rollmeupabe: If you ever need a good model of what the scarcer 1998, 1999, and 2000 cents look like, just look at the reverse of any 1992 cent. That's the design that was erroneously used on the others.

[pennyhound]

There is, in fact, a 1992D with a "CLOSE AM" (Lincoln Cent, Reverse).

NGC, has certified one, in MS-65RD , but only one.

Updated: 18 Oct 2004, now has two in MS. (MS-62RD & 65RD)



Like (Joe) haven't seen any other/s, thus far.

The (7th) reverse design change, 1993 ("CLOSE AM" or "Type 1") used for both circulation (business strike) and proof coin/s, reducing the spacing between the "AM" of AMERICA and changed the font size of the designer's initals "FG". In 1994, the mint, reverted back to it's previous ("WIDE AM" or "Type 2" or "Proof Reverse") (6th reverse design change ... "1989 thru 1992") for PROOF coins. (Which is why we call it "Type 2 - Proof Reverse")

1994 was the only year the mint produced two different memorial reverse designs; One, for Bussiness strikes: "Close AM" and one, for proof coins: "Wide AM" or "Type 2 Proof Reverse".

The befor mentioned would be refered to as: 1992D Close AM or 1993 Type 1 Reverse or Type RDV-6. (Reverse Design Varieties)

So, this is, what thy (reverse/s) should be is: (this is as simple as I can put it)

.......(Year/s)................. (Type of Reverse)
1989 thru 1992 = ............... Wide AM (Business strikes & Proof/s)
1993 to date = ..................... Close AM (Business strikes & Proof/s)
1994 to date = ..................... Wide AM (Proof/s only)

Anything outside of the above, (normal) please let us know about it, on here some were!

Ones that are known, all are business strikes, no Proof/s to date.

1992D ... Close AM
1998 ..... Wide AM
1999 ..... Wide AM
2000 ..... Wide AM


Hope this cleared things up for you, and happy hunting.

[pennyhound]

Updated as of 18 Oct. 2004, as far as the 1992D/s and known varities to date, in this category.

Have fun.

[coppercoins]

Okay...to clarify...

There are three known examples of the 1992D with the close AM. They are to be considered extremely rare and VERY valuable. I know someone who would pay $5,000 for an example in red mint state.

There are a number of 1998 wide AM coins, probably in the thousands if not tens of thousands. A number of them have been certified and they are considered uncommon to scarce. A nice red BU coin will bring $50-$100.

The 1999 wide AM cents are rare. A few dozen to a hundred or so are known and many of them are certified. They bring anywhere between $100 and $500 when offered for sale.

The 2000 wide AM cents are common. There are hundreds of thousands out there and bring $5-$25 in various red mint state grades. AU/circ examples typically won't bring a dollar.

There are reports that 1996 and 2001 wide AM cents exist, but I have never seen substantiated proof of this.

[rollmeupabe]

Thanks for the great info. This is a lot more than I was planning on. As it relates to the 2000 Wide AM I am stumped that it is as common as it is based on the number certified. Here is an example of the NGC population.

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/poplookup-detail.asp?PrintOrder=2802&IDCoins=819087

[pennyhound]

ANACS Pop. as of, March 2004: (2000 Wide AM)
MSRD: 273
MSRB: 5
MSRD: 6 (OFF-CENTER)
MSRD: 7 (BROADSTRUCK) Total: 291
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PCGS Pop. as of, 19 Oct 2004: (2000 Wide AM)
MSRD: 272 Total: 272
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That's: 563, plus 59 from NGC = 622 certified peices, not to mention, PCI, ICG, SGS, and many other/s third party gradeing companies out there. After this number of coins being certied, alot of people don't both to get their/s certified unless it is really high grade ... so, is it now,

[murphy]

Lemme put my two cents into this thread. Here's a photo of one of my Wide AM's. The different year Wide AM's all look the same on the back, like this:

[pennyhound]

Yo ... Murphy,

Nice picture and now all that is needed (since you did post one) is to post a picture of the designer's initials' "FG" as thy are different, also. (Wide AM has the tang on the "G", running west at the top of the curvature, were as the "Close AM" doesn't, just a straight line going up) ... again nice picture.

[murphy]

Yo...Pennyhound,
thank you very much. I took a photo of the designer's initials on a wide AM where it shows the tang on the G where it comes up from the bottom and turns west pointing toward the inside of the G. You're right, on a close AM, the tang only points straight up. It's a different style font altogether.