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murphy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:22 pm Reply with quote

I got my unc mint set out and took out the penny to look at it. It seems to be better than what I usually see so I put it under the microscope. The scratches seem to be in the die, because they are RAISED lines, made up of marks that look like die flow lines. You might be able to see in the photos that the light hits the raised areas and leaves a shadow behind them, thus proving they are raised. The back don't have those scratches - its only flaws are on the extreme right and left of the Lincoln Memorial. Weird, it's only the front that has them. They're so small that I only noticed one of them with the naked eye and that particular one might be the only real scratch on the entire coin. That would be the one in the field to the far right of Lincoln. I thought this was a really high quality cent until I caught sight of those scratches. It says in Chuck's book (I hope I'm not wrong) that die scratches aren't counted as regular scratches when grading. What about this coin Chuck? What kinda grade should I expect?
I tried two ways of taking these pics. Obv was taken flat and Rev was taken tilted until the light caught it full on. I'm still experimenting. Also I need to clean some smudges(?) on it with Goo Gone. Here's the pics of obverse & reverse. I swear it's the same coin fresh out of a mint set and hasn't had much chance to get scratched...
http://home.insightbb.com/~murpht/2004bu1.jpg
http://home.insightbb.com/~murpht/2004bu2.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:50 pm Reply with quote

Please note where these lines are...I don't see anything outside the norm.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:37 pm Reply with quote

Here's a couple photos to show what I mean. They are both of the area around the VDB in Lincoln's shoulder. The shoulder is where the majority of scratches are to be found. I zoomed in and put arrows showing a couple scratches that don't really look like scratches to me. I did point out one scratch on the rim that I can clearly see is a scratch. You can check the other photos of the obverse and if you look carefully, you'll see a lot of scratches around the shoulder and fields. But they're like that thread strike through proof I posted. They look in texture like a strike through, not a scratch. It really ticks me off to get such a great coin like this and see all the mint scratches in the obverse. The back is beautiful and the front is all scratched to hell...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:35 pm Reply with quote

Murphy: I seen a lot of the 2004-D Cents with those same scatches. I think they are planchet scratches. They still show through after striking. They are usually present on the deeper part of the die or higher part of the devices. They couldn't be die scratches as only the fields are affected by the cleaning process to cover die clashes and removal of grease or debris.
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