1950 Roosey clash

ken · Senior Member

Posting some of my rooseys today and came across this clash on the nose and forehead Smile

Date is a 1950p .

Dick · Expert Member

"Houston, we have a problem"!
I tried to bring in a picture, but only got mine from the "bucket"!
Dick

fiddle-fart · Veteran Member

the picture has been deleted and/or removed Crying or Very sad

ken · Senior Member

I re-posted the pic from yesterday.I don't know why it was deleted Confused

Foung another one today and it also has the clash showing on the nose area and also on the neck below the ear. Smile

Dick · Expert Member

I see the lesves, and "dingle-berry", on the nose, but too dark to tell on the ear and neck. I "stash" those., in any denomination.
Nice coin.
Dick

coop · Expert Member

Here is an overlay to compare with you dime.

ken · Senior Member

Thanks Coop.I was going to ask you if you had an overlay for a dime.Looks like it is rotated a bit as it doesn't match in the pics you posted.Definitely a clash though.I found a couple more since the last post of the 53.Got 1 on a 53d also.

coop · Expert Member

I'm still looking at your image on the first of the thread. Are you talking about the marks on the Nose? During a clash the only part usually affected is the fields (The outside edges of the dies). Yours looks like a squeeze jod if that area is affected. The devices are set deeper into the dies and that area should remain un-clashed. The area on the nose could be a transfer from another coin.

Of course the example I posted was an extreme amount of pressure on the coin shown, but a lighter pressure would also leave a transfer of details that are from higher devices from another coin?

ken · Senior Member

Yes Coop,The area on the nose is what I am referring to.These are also bu coins,The 53 does have some clash on the neck area which can't be seen to well in my pics.They do match in the neck area though from your overlay.These marks are only in the areas I mentioned.There are no abnormalities anywhere else on the coin.If it was a squeeze job,wouldn't the entire coin be affected?

Dick · Expert Member

I knwew somethong didn't look right! Imsaw the polish lines in the firld, and forgot to "assume the die position. The marks on the nose should be "IN THE FIEd" not on the face! That has to be a 'garage job". What is high on the die, is low below", Or, viceversa! don't have all my wits about me, (and when one only plays with half of them, it is worse)!
Dick

coop · Expert Member

When partial contact is done as with a hammer with a coin on top of each other, partial area could be affect. When a vise is used the whole area gets affected. That is the way the devices could be affected. A clash usually only affects the fields as that is where the contact happens. Most of the time during a clash only certain areas show the clash instead of the whole design of the fields affected. There are examples of the jail house cent that does affect a larger area, but most die clashes are just portions of the design next to the fields are affected. If you could find some letters on coin, then you might find they are mirrored. So look for this on your coins.

ken · Senior Member

OK Coop,Thank you for all the info.

eagames · Expert Member

You can also look for details, clash damage on the die become raised areas making any pattern on the coin. Post mint "aftermarket" damage would make incuse damage on the coin.

Smile

ken · Senior Member

Hello Ed and Happy New Year.All of the areas in question are raised on both of the coins I showed pics of.They have the distinct shape of the leaves in the nose area and they do match the overlay in the neck area of the 53 date.This is why I am a bit confused with Coops suggestion as to the "squeeze job".They are bu coins and no other areas are affected.I'm going to show it to a friend of mine and see what he thinks.Thank you for all the comments guys.Have a great day.Also I foung several 51d/d varieties yesterday.Some 001,002,008,012,013 among others not identified yet as I am still comparing to pics on the site.Searched over 500 circ 51d's,I bought some time ago,yesterday all in about ef/ef+/au grade and found about 50 or so coins that are rpm's and or ddo,ddr's.Was a lucky day Question

eagames · Expert Member

Ken,

Be sure to look for all clues together.
Like Coop said if squeezed with another coin it will be mirrored and like I said the mirrored design will be incuse.

BUT also some post mint altered ones can be tricky. A soft die is another way post mint alterations are done. Soft die means they put a coin in a vice between 2 sheets of soft metal and press the design onto the soft metal then they put a different coin in it's place and squeeze it. That makes a non mirrored design on the coin and it can also make the image look raised. The clues to seeing it was done that way will be slight smashing on other areas and the second image probably won't be crisp or it's weak wherever it overlaps the normal design. I've also seen ones where they might have only done it to one area (not a sheet that covers the whole coin) so they could double the date or LIBERTY but the rest looks about normal. They can be very tricky, I've seen some on ebay that look very good and could be hard to spot.

If you find a coin sold as regular or in circulation and we assume "why would they put effort into making it".... but the folks who make these practice and probably pass the practice coins or spend them. They might practice on many coins so I never assume what the cause is based on where the coin came from.

The trick is to catch the post mint ones but not condem real ones by mistake, it's not always easy.