1950 Roosey clash

[nightshade]

stupid question what if there was another coin that maybe got stuck in the hole that the coin was in when the die struck it?
would it not also look similar to a garage job if it got through inspection and if the answer is yes would that make it worth anything

[eagames]

If that happened it would look different.

If struck through another cent or part of another it would be "brockage" or if one coin stuck to the die the stuck coin would be a "capped die error" and the victim would be a a "struck through capped die error". Look at those, they look much different.

Check out a coin that was stuck over a die:
http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-6532.html

Or the coin hit by a die with a coin stuck over it:
http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-1699.html

[nightshade]

hehe my fault i was thinking that it would be a finished coin striking a finished coin my error i must have a a robert moment i get those quite often thanks for the info though.

[eagames]

[ken]

I have found a couple more of these dimes with the nose issue.Appearing to be leaves.There is no damage or flatness to any portion of the coin front or back.Newest dates are 1962 and 1964.The 62 also has doubled igwt and designers int.What else could it be.Very puzzleing to find on so many dates.My pics won't help so I am not going to bother at this time.I'll just set them aside until I can get better pics.Thanks for all the comments folks.Ken

[eagames]

Check out this one someone has on another forum, could yours be similar?

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=697677&highlight_key=y&keyword1=clash

[ken]

Those are the same marks except they are only on the nose except 1 where it also on the neck below the ear.Thank you for the link.There are alot of polishing marks in the field area next to the nose where you can see his clash on all of mine.

[nightshade]

im confused would a die clash be incused or raised and would it really give the reverse (mirror) image of the other die?

[eagames]

The image of a clash is like looking through the coin like in the overlays.

Think in negative
The clash hit everything but the design. On dies the letters/leaves are incuse. When you look at the coin you notice the incuse design from a clash but that was the untouched area. The hit area from the clash surrounds it.

So if you look at a clash the letters showing through are mirrored and incuse compared to the fields but the clash hit everything except the area you see as incuse letters.

[Dick]

Ed, that is a nice looking wheat! I have a few of thopse. Now for the clash. I see the clash in the field, but I don't see how the "sic, clash marks" can be on the nose. The field is flat, and will be "impacted by the opposite die, but how to get down into the recessed areas? Maybe a garage job, after the clash was noticed
Dick?

[eagames]

Dick,

I think it is a clash. Look at the high grade example on CU, notice that they match Coops overlay other than a slight shift in the die alignment:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=697677&highlight_key=y&keyword1=clash

On dimes it can get the nose the same way it gets below Lincolns ear on cents. The upper part of the nose on dimes is sloped down to almost the field level as it nears the eye. The outer edge of the nose is higher. (look close at a dime without a loupe) We get tricked by the illusion of depth on coin designs. They put effort into giving it that 3D look but in reality they only have a very limited relief to do it with and they do it well.

[coop]

Even though they may be in part of the design, maybe that area is the same level as the field and thus affected on the Dime Obverse. Kind of like the neck on the Cent is clashed with the reverse columns because of the shallowness of the design?

[Dick]

Ed, I undderstand the way you explain it. I was very un-familiar as to the 'how' these things happen, even tho I have a lot, of diffwerent denominations, but until one begins to understand, and "think like a die", it is difficult to see .
Coop, It is like the back part of the bays, especially bay one, and once in a while bayb 2, will have what looks like a part of the rear panel has come loose, and id falling into the bay interior. It sure is a new way of thinking. ((unless one is an engravor, ot maybe a type setter, or linotypist. like when the type was set up by hand). You "kids" won't remember that!
Dick