1995 LMC

[daviscfad]

Was going through my zinc pile and Found this one tonight:D What do you guys think? Sorry the photos are not so bright:( I need some good lighting tips

[eagames]

Nice find! You must already know

http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1995&die_id=1995p1do001&die_state=eds

[daviscfad]

Its my first one! I am pretty pumped about finding it

[coppercoins]

Now you know for sure what a nice doubled die looks like. Completely different from machine doubling, eh?

[wavysteps2003]

Actually, you could say it is machine doubled. Wouldn't that term be confusing.

BJ Neff

[coppercoins]

I have no idea where that comes from. The coin is a doubled die. It is not machine doubling.

[coop]

I think what BJ was going for was the confusion it would be to a new collector that only found machine doubling upon finding a doubled die and was told that it was machine doubling. Definte doubled die. One I haven't found in searching. I bought mine to get the real picture of what a doubled die looked like about 10 years ago. If more new ones searching would buy a variety of each type of them, it would help them to grow more quickly in their understanding. Images are nice, but having on in hand just does something to you that you never forget.

[wavysteps2003]

Chuck, never said it was machine doubling.

I just wanted to point out that language can play tricks. It is the old throw back to the "double die" and "doubled die", where they mean entirely different occurrences (actual double die is meaningless, even when applied to the die deterioration that occurs in the 1955 Lincoln cent). The term "double die" is confusing and is often used to deceive the unwary.

A quasi term such as "machine doubled" could infer to "hub doubling" since the hubbing is accomplished by machinery that has left a doubled impression or a "doubled die". The language conveys the meaning of what happens, but the term is not acceptable to the hobby.

Sorry if it caused any confusion.

BJ

[daviscfad]

[coppercoins]

Okay, I'm just not sure where the statement came from - looked to be completely out of the blue, and stands to cause more confusion than it solves. Nobody using correct numismatic terminology would use 'machine doubling' in reference to that coin.

The term 'machine doubling' means one thing and one thing only - that doubling on a coin was specifically caused by the minting press. Inferring that hub doubling could be called 'machine doubling' because it was created by a machine is like inferring that 'uncirculated' means a coin has never been in circulation. Both statements are completely wrong and take literal meaning with the terms instead of what they really mean.

Machine doubling is created at the press, and uncirculated is a coin without wear...simply put.

[eagames]

It's a tough one to find in circulation. Maybe because most got pulled from bags. I know I've looked at a lot of 95 cents and I never found one in circulation.

I did exactly what Coop did, when I first became intrested in varieties I bought one 1995 to learn what a real doubled die looked like. I remember that with my magnifying glass the only thing I saw it clearly on was the B of liberty so I got a loupe and saw the rest. That alone was part of learning, before that I thought I'd see a big doubled die easily with a magnifying glass. Good thing I started using a loupe because after that I started finding some other varieties that I would have missed.

[daviscfad]

do you guys think the 1995-p doubled die like this will bring a higher premium down the road?

[Bob P]

My guess would be that the prices will pretty much stay where they are for the foreseeable future. There were so many of them found, that dramatic, or even moderate price increases of any type would probably not occur.

[wavysteps2003]

A lot of uncirculated 1995P-1DO-001 were found in south Florida and encapsulated. While there seems to be plenty to go around, the strength of this doubled die has kept the price fairly steady and still in demand.

While I would say that it is a nice variety die to have, it will not necessarily increase in value dramatically as some dies have been know to do.

Another die that is still readily available and a nice variety example is the 2004 Peace Nickel (Hand Shake), DDO-001. Again, a lot were found and encapsulated like the 1995 Lincoln obverse doubled die, so these will not again increase in value dramatically.

BJ Neff

[daviscfad]

anyone have the numbers on how many were found?