1969-D

[Dick]

Here is a question to the general membership: How many positions are known for the 1969-D, that are NOT RPM's?

The one I posted has been called not a RPM, by Dr. Wiles so that is one postion known. We also know that it is NOT one of the RPM's, not having a photo, on site.
Dick

[coppercoins]

I'm really not certain what you are asking...

There are hundreds of dies used every year, and in 1969 the mintmarks were placed onto the dies by hand. There's every chance that there are hundreds of different mintmark positions, and so far fewer than a dozen RPMs are known.

You do know that mintmark position has nothing at all to do with whether a mintmark is an RPM, right? The term RPM (repunched mintmark) defines a die on which the mintmark is doubled...has nothing to do with the position of the mintmark.

The position of the mintmark only becomes an issue when it's doubled and we are trying to determine whether two coins belong to the same die. if the position is exact between them, the attributes of the doubling match, and markers are present and identical on the two coins (save marker progression), then they are from the same die.

[Dick]

Chuck, that was precisely what I was asking. The RPM's, I understand. The position was what I was referring to, not as a MM, but rather a standard position. There is "no such thing", apparently, as it was "somewhere" in the general area bounded by the date, vest, and rim. As you mentioned, it would serve to identify a particular die, in the case of two DDO's, that were very much alike,that the placeing of the MM would make the final derermination. Is this correct?
Dick

[eagames]

Dick,

Yes the MM locations along with other things helps to ID a specific die. There are hundreds or thousands of dies each year so there are probably some with the same/similar locations. You would need to use other markers as well but there's not much reason to ID non variety dies. I think I've seen numbers of dies used per year for some US coins (or Canada coins) listed someplace so for some the numbers are known.

[Dick]

Ed, I only mentioned this particulat MM position, because it is si far below the "norm". It is NOT a RPM, so is not included with them. In view of the number of dies used per year, it could be a large number, in total, and of no consecquence.
On anothger area: found any '09 cents yet?
Dick

[eagames]

Dick,

Those 09 cents are like hens teeth

I have a total of 2, one P that was sent to me out of kindness and the one D mint that I picked up in a parking lot.

Yesterday I asked a teller if he had any, for a second he looked around then said no rolls and he glanced at his drawer and said "no singles in the drawer either". Atleast he didn't seem bothered that I asked.

LOL.... I wonder if the next design will also be a "no show".

[Dick]

Ed, that wouldn't surprise me either. I haven't heard they have stopped production of the Log, but it would not be un-expected. Between the mint's lack of affinity for the collectors, and the economic situation, combined with the banks lack of interest, there may be few of then, as well. My "beef", is the sales, or deliveries to the TV, and ebay sellers, plus the prices they want for two rolls of cents, One "D", and One "P", plus S&H, for $15,00 dollars. I may be a fool, but I wasn't born yesterday!
Dick

[coop]

Here's a few Hen's Teeth.

[Steven]

hen's teeth

Somebody's going into the poultry business.

[eagames]

No wonder we can't find any in change

[coppercoins]

I think I understand a little better what Dick is asking about...

There is no specific record of mintmark positions for any dies outside the key dates (like the 1909S VDB) and for RPMs and doubled dies. JUST a low mintmark on a common date coin is just a low mintmark...nobody I know of collects them just by mintmark position, so there's no real need to keep track of those dies.

Is that more like the answer you seek?

[Dick]

Chuck, You got it. I was wondering about that, and you just cleared that up. Thanks,
Dick

[Dick]

Steven, you sure know how to hurt a guy!
Dick

[Dick]

Steven, I got your post, and Coops post of the "hen's teeth" mixed up! sorry!
Dick