1858 clashed die

Dick · Expert Member

Coop, If you are able to make this overlay, use the "up","up", orientation, not the 180 degree rotation which is normal.
Kurt, i just received my Binder with all of Rick's Info. The explanation that was given re-enfoeces my notion that this is one of the coins that were made from the clashed REV's of the FE, and SL quarter dies. I get goose-bumps, thinking about the possibilities! To quote from Bowers 1986 book, "Enthusiust's Guide to Flying Eagle, and Indian head Cents": "There is a possibility, however remote, that this die could have been used in 1858, in addition to 1857".
My coin, BTW, has the small letters. This means I have two FE clashed-die coins! 1857, and 1858! It was part of the "cent type group of coins that came with my order of wheats from MCI servuces. I biought the order for the FE, and IHC cents. The type set includes a large cent, 1832, FE 1858, "small letters", IHC 1903. LMC 1909 VDB, andLmC 2009, Log cabin.
Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, Coop, GarryN, here is a couple shots of the same coin. The full REV, and the '58 are so you can see that there does not appear to be a 1858/7, and to shaw the "shadow of the eagle on the REV of the Seated Liberty quarter, in the MEDAL configurqation, wheih correspomnds to Bowers 1996 book wtite-up on this clash.
Kurt, I just received Rick's "Binder" with all the latest. Much of this stuff is starting to make sense! The fact that tyhe dies were not in the "normal orientation, makes for a lot of confusion, on the three types of denominations used for the clashed dies. Here are a couple images:

Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Interesting!

I don't have any pics of 1858 clashes.
If you take more pics try to get the obv motto on the 58 to see if it's one of the several DDOs.

Added:

I'm assuming you're thinking your 1858 might have a reverse die re-used from an 1857. On your other pics (other thread) I do see something next to the O of one, (similar to 1857 S- Cool

but not the rest of it. Clashes wear or get polished away so it's possible that it's remnants of it. Not enough details show to determine for 100%.

GarryN · Expert Member

I dont think there are any 1858 clashes. None listed here.

http://indiancent.wikispaces.com/1858

There are 3 clashes listed for 1857.

http://indiancent.wikispaces.com/1857

The S7, S8, and S9. All three show the overlays.

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, the onkly one on the OBV, is the "retained CUD", on the ckash with the 50cent die. I have been checking all day on the '57, and '58, both. that is where I found the clash remnant on the REV of the '58. It is from the quarter. TYhat cklaash is the "missing link" that Stanton, or Fivaz, or someone else , (I don't recall the name,), but all the info was published in Bower's Book: Enthusitiasts of FE, and IJHC varieties., or similar. It came out in 1996, and is very popular. That is where the three denominations used came out: $20.00 dollar, fifty cent, and the quuarter. Sure made some interesting coins. The one with the 50 cent piece was reversed, as well as oriented north. I spent a lot of time today, looking at those that I have in hand, and dound out I have two of the three.. Also found that my '87 DDO has more of the doubling than the other. IE, one includes the wrd: OF, where the other one does not.I receiver the full set of attributiion info, along with a "loose-leaf" binder, which allows mt to read the pages very easily, on my CCTV reading machine. Some beautifil pictures in it!
The '58 I posted, does not appear to be a 1858/57. There is no "apostrophe", NE of the"8", in the field under the eagle. The REV does show the remnant at K-10 by the "O". A comparison does show the likehood. It also shows a distinct "shadow of the eagle. The other clear , full face shot is the same coin. The fields give awat the shadowing, that should be there.. To me, at least.
Dick

coop · Expert Member

Here is a clash you may be talking about?