2009P LP2Book binding & finger

MorgansRmine · Advanced Member

Could be just overpolishing and a well placed hit.
Normal finger and back of book.

What appears to be an extra finger on back of book binding and missing top of book.

GarryN · Expert Member

is that some zinc on the book binding at the top?

eagames · Expert Member

That does look like a zinc spot and it's right in the extra finger area. It might be a sign that it's a hit or something about the planchet.

I also see 3 little steps in the binding NW of the zinc spot.

If you found it in a roll you might look for others with the same thing without the zinc spot.

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MorgansRmine · Advanced Member

I can't tell if it's zinc or not. With just the eyes I can't even see it. With 30x loupe, barely visible. The pictures are 60x. I just found it odd that the dent in the back binder appears to match the shape of the finger and part of the top of book is missing. But I've seen wierder things that turn out to be nothing.

Bob P · Site Admin

As it stands, I would call this some sort of damage. If another were found that looks exactly the same, I would tend to want to examine it more closely. From the photo, (which is excellent by the way) I just can't tell what it is or what caused it.

Dick · Expert Member

In the first picture, the "extra tip od the index finger is quite clear, and the next one shows the xinc. The first one is in a direct line with the thumb. It is possible it is a DDR Are the two photos of the same coin? Thett don't appear to be. IMHO
Dick

coop · Expert Member

Dick: There is no such thing as directly in line on single squeeze DDR's. The movement can be in any direction or even rotated. No specific rules apply. Any thing is possible and does happen. Seems to happen more often on Philly dies though.

Dick · Expert Member

Coop, I agree. the "direct line" was a relationship between the thumb, and theindication on the back side of the book binding.
Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, do you see the finger, resting on the index finger of his right hand? It is barely noticable, but when i had it in "zppm-Text", it was quite clear. Also the upper part of the zinc appears to have been torn p[artially away from the rest. the top of the binding is still there, although hard to see. I just tried the "Z-T", on these DDR's, and it sure makes it easy to see the details! I'll have to go thru mi '09's to see if I have anything worthy of comment. Seems I find new tools every day.
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Dick,

The first pic is the "normal" coin.
I think these finger DDRs are like looking the statue on a memorial and it's so small that unless there's something easy to see it's within the norm.

The mint should make coins with a test pattern in the center, that way we can easily see if it's a micro doubled die. LOL Wink

The ZoomText is good for looking at pics, it brings out anything there so it shows. It helps if the pic is high res.

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Dick · Expert Member

Ed, you are going to be even more sure I'm nuts, but I see SIX fingers on the right hand, in the photo with the zinc. I just returned to the forum, and that is what I saw. They only come down about halfway, but definitely are the index, and "social" ifngers. Very possibly can be seen the ring, and "pinky, as well. maybe I spent more time in the sun than I realized. I am going to "lift' the photo, and truy to imndicate what I am seeing.
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Dick, Is that on both images? They might be the joints?

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, I checked the one picture, and it does not show this anomily, wheras the other does, that is why i emailed you and sent it. i couldn't get a ]n image generated on the bucket, to post.
Dick

MorgansRmine · Advanced Member

Hi Dick, I can see what you think is an extra finger. I believe this is just a lighting issue, just by changing the light angle I can make that extra finger dissappear.

Does not show up as an extra finger with 30x loupe. Pictures can be awful deceiving sometimes.

Dick · Expert Member

Ken tha lighting angle has changed, but I still barely see the two extra fingers, but "just barely". I hate to be stubborn,. but my eye aren't the best for these things. I sent an email to ED, with the details outlined. maybe he can tell what it might be. the point og lighrt being reflected off the index, (second) is weak, but still discernable. like I say my euyes weren't made for this kind of work, or at least not now, with my vusion problem. Until someone calls it with better perspective than mine, I'll have to go with the majority, and wonder if.....
Dick