1917 ty1 sl 25c Grade

ken · Senior Member

Any thoughts on the grade of this coin?Thanks Exclamation

GarryN · Expert Member

I would say EF45 details. AU50 on a good day. There is wear on the high points. Sash, shield, right mantle and leg on the obverse and the left wing (facing viewer) on the reverse. The head is in pretty good shape though. It is possible the coin was cleaned also, considering the distribution of the light areas

ken · Senior Member

Hi Garry,The coin has never been cleaned,nor any altered attributations on the holder, as I have it back slabbed from anacs.I will give some other of our friends to give thier opinion before I show the coin in the slab.Unfortunately I have it listed in another forum and Dick guessed ms65 in that area.Maybe Bob can put the other thread in this area if he has the time.I would like to see if anyone else has any thoughts on the grade.The details on this coin are amazing.Look at all the feather details on both wings and the body of the eagle has detail.

GarryN · Expert Member

Hi Ken ! I dont know, either I am completely blind or out of my mind. I am not trying to be difficult, but that photo looks like a circulated, possibly cleaned coin to me. I agree that the wing detail is great, the head has alot of detail, but the shield is weak at best and clearly rubbed, in my mind. The mantle on the right looks rubbed. The leg looks rubbed. The high point of the near wing looks rubbed. The fields look rough on both sides. There might even be scratches under E Pluribus Unum. I have seen plenty of MS65 SLQ's but not one like that. I saw what Dick said. Lets get a few more opinions. Hold out for a while...

I would also like appreciate some opinions on that 1876-cc trade dollar too.

ken · Senior Member

Garry,It did not come back as an ms coin(and I didn't expect it to).I didn't mean to imply that.Just giving Dicks thoughts as it was in another thread and wasn't sure if you saw it.

GarryN · Expert Member

Ok Ken.. you are giving hints.. Smile

I was hoping to get some dialogue going... ! Very Happy

I like the SLQ's. It is a unique design.

ken · Senior Member

Put it this way,I was dissappointed with grade assigned.If noone has any other thought by tomorrow night after I get home from work,i'll post slab then.

smed · Senior Member

40 (35 on a bad day) details, cleaned and/or corroded

Dick · Expert Member

Just for the record, I don't collect this particular series, and I don't even own one,. i was going only by the fact that the date was the first thing to go on the type one, ( the reason it was changed). As far as grading, otherwise, I have no idea what the PUP's are. i enjoyed 'participating, however!
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Maybe 35-40 if it's an older small holder.

ken · Senior Member

Garry,you were right on Exclamation

I would have thought this would at least been an au50 coin.No cleaning or corrosion.Just the lightest bit of wear on the shield and other areas..

Dick · Expert Member

I thought it was 1916, not 1917! After I saw the hgolder, and saw the '17, I had to check the original post.
No wonder they won't let me drive!
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

I was thinking in the new yellow holder they would have been brutal and gave it a details grade because of the light/dark toning.

I thought maybe in the older holder they might have dinged it down a grade and not noted anything.

That grade in the new holder seems ok, maybe the color looks ok to them. I'm not great on these since I don't collect them. I think to get an AU grade it needs more luster to show. Just my thoughts.

GarryN · Expert Member

I had the same thoughts, Ed. Maybe it is the photo. It's not easy to analyze a coin based on a photo, particulaly black and white photos.

Dick · Expert Member

The reason I mentioned 'type one", was the condition of the date, and knowing that they changed the design, because of the high rayr of wear, I didn't really look at the date, and assumed it to be '16. When did they actually change the design?
Dick