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 mojaveblueAdvanced Member
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I got this cent from a roll I bought on Ebay. Im guessing it may not be a clash, but rather a double struck coin. I believe the obverse was first struck with a reverse die, and then somehow struck again with the obverse die. The reverse looks perfect, no trace of problem. But you can clearly see the memorial columns on the obverse, but only in the fields. You cant see any effect on Lincoln.
Also, under careful exam, two columns almost appear to be doubled or affected by die rotation, the first column on either side of Lincoln.
Im wondering if this coin may be good enough to send to be slabbed. Id have to do some research, maybe no one does holders for clash or double struck coins.
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 jfines69Member
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That is a nice LC... The clash appears to be rotated slightly... Also The line running in front of Abes' eyes and behind his head appear to be from the memorials base... As for slabbing that would eventually be up to you... The value of the coin versus the cost of getting it slabbed... For now I would get an inexpensive holder to keep it safe!!!
Jim
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 coopExpert Member
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:31 am |
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Clashed die cent.
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 eagamesExpert Member
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It's a nice die clash.
I'd say not to get it slabbed. My reasoning is if you find a $5-20 coin you're ahead. If you pay $25-60 to get it slabbed it doesn't really raise it's value so you're behind.
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coopExpert Member
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:03 pm |
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Most collectors won't pay extra for a coin that is slabbed over the raw price. Well, I know I feel that way.
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
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Yes, makes sense to me, value and cost of slabbing.
I didn't realize but did a search and found that some of the people here have also set up a website for clashed dies.
Great source of info. http://www.maddieclashes.com/
Thanks for your help.
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 kenSenior Member
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Isn't this also called "prisoner cent" 
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eagamesExpert Member
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| Isn't this also called "prisoner cent" |
Yes some people call them that.
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NGC's modern tier is $12.50, coins 1955 to date; PCGS's is $14, 1956 to date.
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PCGS's is $14, 1956 to date.
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Errors cost an extra $24 and I'm not sure you can submit errors using modern so if you sent one coin it's more like:
$30 grading (economy) + $24 error service + $17.60 return postage minimum for 1-5 coins + $8 handling fee + about $10 for shipping it there. Total = $89.60
(plus you had to pay the yearly membership fee $49 minimum)
If you can get errors with modern then it's:
$14 grading (modern) + $24 error service + $17.60 return postage minimum for 1-5 coins + $8 handling fee + about $10 for shipping it there. Total = $73.60
(plus you had to pay the yearly membership fee $49 minimum)
Yes you can save a bit if you shipped it with some others or without using registered mail. If you buy the better membership for a lot more it comes with some grading vouchers but I'm not sure they can be used with errors and there's no discount for moderns if you use them.
The cost of grading minor error coins is often more than I'm willing to spend on it.
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
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Thanks Ed and SMED,
Sorry about that pun, but thanks, I have tried to look up costs for NGC and PCGS and membership specifics. Your summaries give me a good idea how to approach the idea of slabbing. I suppose, not much I have right now warrants it.
Back to the search!
Have a good weekend.
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smedSenior Member
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Ah... I didn't know they charged more for errors, although I should have guessed it.
I didn't see where the $24 came from; I saw NGC charging an extra $10 for errors, and PCGS charges a flat $50 for errors.
Either way, too much for low-value coins.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:02 pm |
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ICG charges $5.00 for a confirmation (variety / error) or $10.00 for an attribution.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:56 pm |
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| I didn't see where the $24 came from; I saw NGC charging an extra $10 for errors, and PCGS charges a flat $50 for errors. |
SMED,
That's right, so it's $4 less.
Like BJ said, ICG is less.
ANACs is in that ballpark but you need to send a big group to keep the shipping down.
Also with PCGS if you join the club and get the 4 or 8 vouchers you can send certain big varieties using the normal $30 fee or the vouchers (without paying for error service). To do it you must give them the right PCGS coin numbers from their list and only the big ones in the red-book like 17 DDO #1, 36 #1, 55 #1, 72 #1, 83 DDR #1, 44 D/S #1. (maybe a few others)
Most other coins in the CPG or errors can go but need that $50 error service.
For some of those big varieties or key dates when selling them the holder helps.
Still for the most part I can't afford to grade anything minor.
I also find that most collectors would rather buy RPMs and minor doubled dies in flips and won't pay enough more for them in slabs to make it worthwhile. If you collect lot's of RPMs or something, having to invest more money into slabbing them would add to much cost to the hobby.
Of course everyone has different budgets so what limits me might not be the same for everyone.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:22 pm |
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Phil, that is a multi-clashed coin.
We had thred with a very long bit of conversation, a few years ago.
That is why it looks "doctored".
It is only a clash, and not normally woirth much of a premium, other than to a collector of clashes, etc. I keep the ones I find, but I would not buy one. As far as slabbing, I would not spend that kind of money, on a clash, least of all, and generally, none. i likw RAW, because what you pay for a coin, raw, is what the coin is worth, given all the other factors.
it is like saying a "Street-walker" dressed up in the latest styles, is tilll a street-walker.
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