Chuck is this 1970-S a new variety ?

[jnd1955]

Hello all
it been some time sence i have posted here. i do most of my posting at U S coin Collecting board. but i have not been able to find any info on a 1970-S RPM. i have a 5-s lincoln bu. does any one know if this is a new variety or maybe a refrence # for this variety. i will try to post a pic here but if it dont work will leave link to my photo album.
thank you any help you can givbe me.
john

link to album. http://tinyurl.com/5vbt9

[coppercoins]

Yes, that's 1970S-1MM-001, RPM#001. Those are most typically found in mint sets. Nice find!

[jnd1955]

Hi Chuck
Thank you for the info!!!
bear with me on this, as you know i am new to error coins.
this coin apears to have 5-S , do you only count the s that you can see with the necked eye?
the reason i am asking is , i see 3-s clearly on the upper part of the s. want to get the right # log on it. eather way i still dont have a 001. but if its log as a 001 , now i do LOL.
thank you again
john

[coppercoins]

Hi John,

1970S-1MM-001 has a strong spread to the north, as your coin shows. It has just enough spread to make every part of both punchings show strongly, which could be what you are seeing as three mintmarks. I have never seen an example of that die to have any signs of more than two punchings, and am certain that's the die you have - it's sort of unmistakable as one of the most visible RPMs in the Lincoln cent series.

Just a bit of terminology clarification - doubled dies, repunched dates, overdates, repunched mintmarks, and over mintmarks are termed as "die varieties," not "errors."

Errors encompass the planchet, die and striking errors that happen on the coining presses or while the discs of metal are being punched to make coins.

The main difference between the two is that die varieties are a part of the design on the die that made the coin. The die exhibits the die variety from the time it is placed on the press until it is retired. Errors are a chance occurrence and are usually coin to coin - meaning one coin is normal, next is an error, next is normal again. Included are broadstrikes, off center strikes, wrong planchet errors, brockages and indents, etc.

[Bob P]

John,
I think you may be counting more S's than are actually there. RPM # 1 only has 2 S's,but the spacing or spread of them may be what's throwing you off. In addition, there are also some of those RPMs that have additional strike/mechanical doubling. Since I can't access your pic, I am pretty much betting that Chuck's attribution is correct.
THis coin would be listed as S/S north. Should it have 3 identifyable mintmarks, it would be listed something like S/S/S north etc.
Hope this helps a bit.

[coppercoins]

Unfortunately to be able to view photos in Yahoo's system the way it was linked here, you have to have a valid Yahoo login. I happen to have that and was able to access the image.

I see what John thinks is a third S, it's actually minor machine doubling that clips the very top of the secondary mintmark making it look doubled again. This is caused by "die chatter," the term given to the slight doubling caused on coins by a loose die.

I'll try to link the photo of the mintmark here, although I'm not certain of Yahoo's predictability regarding linking from outside their server.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_13013617/jnd1955/ss1---1.jpg?bcA1qACB4mnG_M4t

[coppercoins]

It appears to have worked.

John...Next time you want to link an image from Yahoo, do this (considering you are using MSIE or one of its derivatives)...

1. Sign in to your album area.
2. Navigate to the photo you want to post.
3. Right click on the photo.
4. Click on "properties." a dialogue window will pop up.
5. Triple click on the text next to "Address/URL" to highlight all of it....that's a quick "click-click-click."
6. Right-click with your cursor on the text, then select "copy."
7. Click "OK."
8. Navigate to your forum message where you want to link to the picture.
9. Right click, then select "paste."
10. Submit your message to activate the link.

When you do the paste, the address (often a bunch of cryptic jargon that starts with "http") will show in your message. That's okay, that's what you want. When you submit your message, that jargon will be the clickable link to your photo.

What went wrong with your attempt is that you linked us to your whole album. This will work fine for those of us who have Yahoo logins, but it will not work for anyone else. The method I pointed out above should work for anyone because it bypasses the need to log in to Yahoo to see the image.

[jnd1955]

hello every one.
thanks again. you got my next question , all ready!!! your good. LOL
i was going to ask if the theard s could be mec. doubling.
learn some thing again . there are difrent types of mec. doubling
i will log this one in as a 001.
will try that way of leaving link next time.
thank you all again
john