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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
Posts: 143 Joined: 02 May 2010 Location: Southern Cal
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:14 pm |
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First, I don't condone this type of thing. But the worksmanship seems pretty good. Of course it is easy to debunk, and no numismatist would look at it twice.
But just thought to post some images here. I am not a machinist, but what is stiking to me is there is no visible damage to the copper/zinc shell that should have happened during the maching process.
It's not something I think I would spend several hours or more creating and then just put into circulation, it was returned in pocket change at a local Target market.
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:38 pm |
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| It's not something I think I would spend several hours or more creating and then just put into circulation, it was returned in pocket change at a local Target market. |
They sell them for $3-5 as magic trick coins. Probably was in a drawer then got spent.
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CoinboyJayMember
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:32 pm |
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Hi
A machinest with a mill or lathe could do this in about 10 minutes. In fact the "gap" where the dime fits in to the cent is VERY wide and a good machinest would do a much better job! I'm surprised we don't see more of it. No use in wasting their time, I guess.
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
Posts: 143 Joined: 02 May 2010 Location: Southern Cal
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:51 pm |
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HAHA, yeah Im not a machinist, I couldn't imagine doing it without screwing up the copper.
But I see, they are actually made as a magic gimick, ok.
Although, its funny, the cashier counted it as a penny, and I think I could get the dime out of it, so I made 9 cents.
Phil
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:33 pm |
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Found this one in a roll. It had what looked like a blank side but when I poked at it what fell out was a reverse.
Since then I found a few others so depending on how you put them together you can make 2 headed, 2 tailed, wheat on one side and memorial on the other or stuff a dime in them etc...
You can see the machining lines from how they cut it:
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
Posts: 143 Joined: 02 May 2010 Location: Southern Cal
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:56 am |
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Isn't it some sort of federal law not to deface US coinage, I think I copied a regulation against melting or smelting coinage at least?
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smedSenior Member
Posts: 624 Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Zephyrhills Florida
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:14 pm |
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To the best of my knowledge, it is only illegal to melt down cents and nickels.
Defacing US coins/currency is illegal if the intent is to defraud. In other words, it's not illegal to write your name on a dollar bill or cut a quarter in half. It *is* illegal to try to pass the dollar bill or quarter halves off as errors.
But... good luck in getting someone arrested, much less convicted. They're too busy paying attention to terrorism to pay attention to small-time fraud. I tried to turn my Henning nickel in to the Secret Service a number of years ago -- they weren't the least bit interested.
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:47 pm |
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Is that the war nickel without the "P" ?
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:24 pm |
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If I had found this I would not spend it. It's a nice curiosity and if all else fails they do sell for a couple of dollars.
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kenSenior Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:46 pm |
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I agree,nice conversation piece.Nice catch
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smedSenior Member
Posts: 624 Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Zephyrhills Florida
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:52 pm |
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| Is that the war nickel without the "P" ? |
Yep, the 1944. Henning made other non-war dates, but I don't know what they are or how to detect them. I'm sure there are at least a few websites that have that info.
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:33 pm |
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:29 pm |
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Smed : See if this helps?
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mojaveblueAdvanced Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:42 pm |
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Now I think that is a real catch, even though it isn't "mint made" I have read about them and they have a good deal of notoriety.
I agree Chuck, Ken, I've got it in a 2X2 saved for the kids down the line.
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CoinboyJayMember
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:07 pm |
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I agree,
The attempt by folks to "make" a coin has always intrigued me. The rackateer Nickel probably being the first.
I kept a 1959d Jefferson, I found in circulation, that someone had ground the tail of the 9 off trying to make it look like a '50d, obviously back when the '50d was worth something!
Fun to find..
Cheers,
JAY
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