How about a 1971 Lincoln Cent Struck.............

[Danester]

I finally got around to taking Mike's advise and contacting "The Penny Lady" Charmy Harker for a refund on this 1941 counterfeit error. I reminded her she was an ANA member and her stated goals on her web site. This is Chamy's reply.

"Dennis, there is a difference between a counterfeit coin and a manmade error. This coin is not a counterfeit but may be a manmade error which is what I explained to you when you purchased it - that's why there were question marks on the coin and also why you didn't pay a lot more for it. Just return it and I'll send you a refund.

Charmy Harker"

I don't remember the word "manmade" being used during the purchase, only that she "didn't really know what it was". However, I'm just glad she was nice enough to give me a refund and I except her explanation. Because of this I will continue to buy from Charmy.



The Danester

[mikediamond]

I'm glad it worked out for you. True, it isn't a counterfeit, but it is an altered coin, or as Charmy would put it, a "man-made error".

[smed]

I certainly will not be perusing her table at FUN any more. I don't deal with people who equivocate (read: bullshit) that way.

Especially ANA Member-Dealers.

Man-made 'error'? It's an altered coin, worth exactly one-one hundredth of a dollar. Please... quit blowing smoke up arses.

EDIT: Actually, I will stop by her table at Summer FUN.

Why?

To see how much she wants for this coin. How much ya wanna bet it'll be for sale?

[coppercoins]

She is correct in that there is a BIG difference between an altered (manmade) coin and a counterfeit coin. One of the biggest differences is that one may get you kicked out of the ANA or something like that, and the other is a Federal crime.

Hitting a stack of coins with a hammer then selling them as errors is unethical.

Making coins from false dies and blanks is a crime.

The basic difference - if the piece was a real coin at one time - it is not a counterfeit. If the piece was NEVER a real coin at all, then it's a counterfeit.

A 1944D cent changed into a 1914D cent is altered.

A sand cast copy of a 1914D cent is a counterfeit.

[Danester]

I have one of those 1944D Lincoln Cents changed into a 1914D Cent that I found in a 5000 piece bag of Wheat Cents. Not a real professional job.

I will see if I can locate it.

I also purchased from a Dealer friend of mine a 1926-S 5c Buffalo that has been milled down and fitted with a new "strong strike" reverse -perfect work. He bought it in a collection from an older lady, and neither one knew it was an altered coin at sale. Only, later did my Dealer friend discover it. When I saw it, I had to have it for "educational purposes".

I will locate that one too.

The Danester

[coop]

Looks like a 19 14-D. The space in the middle gives it away.

[eagames]

Just looking at the D it almost looks like 1944-D OMM-2.
(didn't compare position but there's something west of the vertical)

Wouldn't that suck

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On the OP coin.
I could forgive a clueless person offering it to a dealer at a coin show but for a dealer to offer that is wrong.

[coppercoins]

It is a 1944D OMM#2. Coop took the photo and digitally edited the 4.

[eagames]

[Dick]

Nice job, Coop!

[coop]

I edited the image to show how much space would be between the 19 14 so you would not get taken for a ride on a fake 1914-D cent.
The image is from another site.

[Danester]

Just to let all know, I received my refund ($55) yesterday on the 1941 Lincoln Cent "Squeeze Job" from the Penny Lady.

Charmy and I are now square.

The Danester