1993 Cent -- Help, What Is This????

[ddorpm]

Hi All,

I know this is hard to believe but this 1993 cent came right out of a circulated cent roll obtained from my local bank.

Bob -- anybody with ideas? Is this an obverse that was multi-struck thru a rotated die cap? The rotated clockwise image is incuse while the image that is in proper orientation is in relief. Also appears to be multi-struck again around the words IN GOD. The reverse is perfectly normal.



Thanks,
Billy G. Crawford

[Bob P]

I think you hit it pretty much on the head Billy. It looks like a struck through die cap, where the cap actually came off the die and sat right back onto the next planchet to be struck. I have never seen one like yours before, so I can't be absolutely sure. Below is a pic of a capped dime I found a while back. there are some similarities, including the fact that the revese is perfectly struck. It's the only logical answer I can come up with. Maybe someone else here has additional inputs?

[Matt Dinger]

could this be a counterbrockage????

[Gabe]

It sure looks like struck thru a capped die. The incused design is deformed, just like it is expected from a capped die.

Nice find Billy!

[Bob P]

Yes Matt...I think you are right. It is very possible that it could be a counter brockage. That would explain the deformed incused design.
While doing some research on that exact possibility, I came accross this photograph that was taken by Mike Ellis some years ago. I found it along with some other neat info at the following site:

http://www.grasshoppernet.com/walrafen/gmm62.html




Billy....I do believe this is your answer....OK??

In addition, I found the following on the CONECA Glossary of Terms site:

Brockage second strike
When a brockage coin rests partially on a planchet, the result is a “partial counter-brockage strike” coin and a double struck coin that has a second strike off-center and a corresponding depressed and slightly enlarged incused mirror image of the already struck coin on the opposite side.

I think this describes the coin perfectly.

[Matt Dinger]

hey if ya wanna sell it or trade for it let me know!! thanks again for sharing

[ddorpm]

Hi All,

Wow! Thanks for the great response!

So I have this correctly -- what we have here is a 1993 Lincoln cent exhibiting an obverse "Multi-Struck Counter-Brockage" error type???

Since this is readily visible with the naked-eye, I sometimes wonder if people here in SC look at their coins? Oh well -- I'm not complaining.

Thanks for the offer Matt. This is another one of those that makes a great conversation piece and I enjoy showing it to others in hopes it may stirr their interest in coin collecting.

Regards,
Billy

[ddorpm]

Bob & All,

For a possible future article, I want to make sure I have this correctly so as not to publish any wrong information to collectors.

I have attached some close-ups of the coin. There looks to be a double strike that can be seen at the letters of IN GOD. I'm assuming that would be the second strike???

Then we have a fair amount of rotation (I think CW) where we see the two LIBERTY's and well as two 1993's. Then that would be the third strike with the counter-brockage rotating on the already double struck coin???

Do I have this correctly???



Thanks again for all you guys help. It is sincerely appreciated.

Regards,
Billy

[Matt Dinger]

wow! does the reverse show any signs of rotation cause by a double strike.......the obv was struck more then once......what a weird coin....very cool....and as for my offer I completely understand holdin on to it...even though I would love to look at it in hand......nice find....you might want to send a picture to rich schemmer and see what he sayd....

[Bob P]

Billy...From all the research I did on this coin, I think you have it all correct. However, to be absolutely sure I would try and find someone who deals with error coins more than I do, and ask them to check this thread and see if we have it all right. I want to make sure if you publish info on this coin, that it is 100% correct, and that we don't add or leave off something substantial. Rich Schemmer would be my first contact. If you don't know, you can contact him at RichErrors@aol.com, or there may be a link to him at his web site http://www.richerrors.com.
Sorry I can't be 100% sure on this Billy, but I think we do have it figured out.

[ddorpm]

Bob,

I'll contact Rich and see what he has to say and let everybody know.

What's throwing me on the coin is the double strike. The double strike design elements/lettering on the coin are in relief as we would normally see on a coin. Then there's the third strike with a fair amount of rotation and now of which the design elements/lettering of that third strike are incuse and deformed.

Will see what happens. Thanks everybody for sharing your thoughts on this coin. This is another one of those learning experiences for me in the error category.

Regards,
Billy

[Matt Dinger]

lookin foreward to seein what rich has to say.......

[ddorpm]

Hi Bob & All,

Rich Schemmer of "RichErrors" has replied with the following concerning the 1993 Lincoln cent discussed in this thread. Bob -- like the ole saying, "The first answer is usually the correct answer."

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"Billy,

This is a multi-struck thru a rotated die cap. I have had a few of these of the past few years. Notice the incuse image of the rotated Lincoln's. The 2 raised images suggest it was dbl or multi-struck in collar then rotating prior to the incuse image made by the Cap. I have seen some of these in different positions and diff. # of strikes some up to "10."

Rich Schemmer"

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Regards,
Billy

[Matt Dinger]

what a helluva find in pocket change.....it's coins like this that keep us looking through soooo many others.....

have a good one!

[Bob P]

Well, I'll be! I knew I should have stuck to my guns on the initial assesment! Anyway, I think you did the right thing and found out the answer from an expert. But....like I said earlier, it sure is fun researching these things and then finding out how you did.